Posted on 05/10/2009 5:43:05 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
With the ever encroaching Fedgov looking in and trying to control our personal lives, I'm looking for way that Americans can still communicate privately.
I understand that any answers given on this public forum, may alert the various gov agencies to a new work-around. I'm hoping someone can provide a fool proof answer even on this public board.
Internet e-mail and forums are easily compromised (ISP's easliy traceable); phone conversations, well, we all know about taps; Ham radio can be intercepted; CB radio the same. And no, face to face comms and devised codes are not the answer I'm looking for - too cumbersome and too slow. Same as snail-mail.
Although there are a few encrypted Internet programs out there such as PGP phone, that particular one is buggy depending on your computer setup (power, memory, firewalls, anti-virus, etc.).
Is anyone aware of any other encrypted Internet programs that the average person doesn't need an expensive doomsday program and a $10,000 server that will simply facilitate privacy? If not Internet, how can anyone possibly have a private conversation? What am I missing...???
Like you, I was in the Navy. I was one of the snoops you´re concerned about but that was 40 years ago.
The short answer to your question is that, no, there are no ways around newer comms methods, all can be intercepted, not by traditional means, like bugs or traces on a phone or comm line but by a thing called Echelon which catches everything (yes, everthing) sent electronically.
If you want security, think back to when you were passing a handwritten note to Suzy in 3rd grade. Tell her to swallow it after reading it. That´s still secure but that´s about it. You might want to be sure about Suzy!
With the Messiah´s desire to put us all behind his big yoke, your concerns are well founded, IMHO.
Write your message in Navajo. That worked in WWII.
I’m not being entirely facetious. If you know some obscure foreign language, that would slow them down. I recently bought a Basque phrasebook at a used bookstore - it was cheap and I was curious, because it is a language that seems to have no relatives in the world.
Alternatively, make up your own language and share it with your correspondents or at least some key phrases that would be intelligible only to those with whom you’ve shared them.
>> If I want to jump the wife of an FBI agent, how much time would I have to get the hell out?
Oh, THAT’S it! I might have known; I was a sailor, too ;-). Yeah, I hear those FBI wives are lonely, what with hubby working late breaking codes and such.
Well, look at it this way: the more complex you make your code, the longer you can tie up her FBI hubby, so the more “jumping time” you have.
“I would call a local reporter. If the news was important enough, a story would run the next day.”
Oh, you mean like Bubba and Monica - yes, that ran the next day........the next day after Drudge got it, but one or two years after the MSM had the story.
Or simply key phrases, like Muslims used, talking about going to the ‘wedding” when planning 9-11-01.
“There is no technology known that can capture every phone message to every number.”
In your dreams that´s true, but wrong nonetheless.
“STU III?”
Huh?
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I think I read somewhere once it does encrypt on the fly faxing to other compatible machines.
lol yep they will ....
but they won’t use caterpillars or waterboarding
“I think I read somewhere once it does encrypt on the fly faxing to other compatible machines.”
Nope
“Not sure I understand all you said, but it sounds like a cipher with a keyword.”
I think the only truly secure cipher is a single use cipher, not a one day cipher, but a SINGLE USE cipher. Even that probably wouldn´t stand up to the Ft. Meade computers if they ran long enough. Still, it would have the strongest chance.
No problem if you don't want to open yourself to scrutinization. Just saying, I can be verified and I'm not a plant. I just want to know how to communicate with like-minded persons without the threat of DHS or any other government agency listening in for some stupid perceive threat on their part.
I'm a conservative/libertarian and believe in small government; small taxes; freedom of choice and association; pro-business; gun rights, and an 11 Veteran, etc. So, according to Napolitano's DHS, I'm a threat. I just want to talk without those f**ckers listening. I believe I still have that right.
ESP
I really think the solution you’re looking for is low-tech.
Book code.
Imagine if you will 2 identically arranged bookshelves containing identical books, magazines, periodicals, etc. thousands of miles apart.
A simple substitution code identifies the shelf, book, page, and word.
Yes it’s slow, but remember, security is usually inversely proportional to convenience.
“I just want to talk without those f**ckers listening. I believe I still have that right.”
I’m with you but the internet or phone is not the medium to use unless you are willing to accept some risk. There are ways to minimize the risk but I’d prefer not to discuss them here. Essentially it requires a private network.
Lets say you and I talk using this secure method. Sooner or later we had a 3rd or 4th. Before long we do have a plant on the network.
Easier to call our Senators and politely ask him to support freedom.
>> The safety at any cost crowd told me if I was not doing anything wrong, I have nothing to worry about.
That’s the good news.
The BAD news is, you’re doing SOMETHING wrong, sucka... we just have to figure out what it is. Or make something up, whatever’s easiest. :-)
If someone is really, really interested in what you communicate by any means whatsoever they can discover it. It only a matter of effort expended.
You can frustrate their efforts if you know about them but your actions show you know you’re being monitored and the methods are adjusted.
And if that doesn’t work Vito will come and beat on the soles of your feet with a pipe until you talk.
Thank you. I wonder if that still exists? I would guess it does within the clandestine orgs.
Thanks. But large encrypted messages on monuments doesn’t work for immediate comms. But I get your gist.
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