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Firearms to own for beginners: Home Defense
Freedombug ^ | 02/21/2009 | Freedombug

Posted on 02/21/2009 12:26:58 PM PST by omega4179

Warsaw Ghetto. Darfur. Katrina. Some people call it the sky falling, SHTF, or in the words of the President, Catastrophe. I call it the worst case scenario. Since the November 4th mistake, The Dow is down 2000 points. Even more since the 2006 elections put the Socialists in charge of the economy. Reasonable people are now alarmed into buying guns for the first time in their life, with a president telling them catastrophe is possible.

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To: omega4179

Ping for later


41 posted on 02/21/2009 2:18:56 PM PST by BreitbartSentMe (Ex-Dem since 2001 *Folding@Home for the Gipper - Join the FReeper Folders*)
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To: omega4179
My personal take:

Required weapons for SHTF scenario:

1. 22 LR, either bolt or semi-auto
2. 22 handgun, either revolver or semi-auto
3. 12 gauge, pump
4. Rifle, medium capability, 30.06, .30-30 or .223
5. Medium revolver, .38 & .357 are good; .357 can fire .38 rounds, so the .357 is a plus.
6. Stopping capability handgun. I prefer a .45 semi-auto, but there are several good choices.

Over all, the fewer calibers you can get away with, the better. A firearm without ammo is of little value, and several boxes of ammo can run into quite a bit of money. That's one of the reasons I'm big on .22s. They might not be your firearm of choice, but you can stockload a ton of ammo for little money, and a good .22 is extremely accurate. A well placed .22 round will do stuff a badly placed larger caliber won't.

A few random thoughts:
There are tons of videos on youtube of morons giving a chick something like a .50 Desert Eagle and giggling as she breaks her nose the first time she fires it. NOBODY should start shooting with the larger calibers, although people can learn with patient teaching. Start them out with a .22 or a BB gun; don't give them a cannon and laugh at the reaction. Learning to shoot is like juggling; start out with bean bags and work your way up to chain saws.

Teach safety first, always. Here's a couple of youtubes of idiots who should know better (both of these are old videos, but still relevant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIJOVD8hwY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoNLgZul2CE&feature=PlayList&p=29050795EA1F1B53&index=41

Most of the tough talk on firearms is just that: 90% of the people who say what they'd do in a situation they've never been in don't know what they'd actually do.

If you have to cut down on my list, the most overlap is with the .357 and the .45.

As to personal preferences, I prefer firearms that look like hunting arms as opposed to the military look. They do the same job, but if you have a walnut stock, you're a hunter. If you have black pistol grips and a muzzle suppressor, you're a gun nut. I think it's best to not cut too big a swathe in appearance, as long as you get the necessary capability.

42 posted on 02/21/2009 2:25:09 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Richard Kimball

I saw that Video. Lots of bump firing idiots on the ‘tube.


43 posted on 02/21/2009 2:31:55 PM PST by omega4179 (1.20.13 end of an error , a big one.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks for the post. I have been trying to find something for my daughter but didn’t want to spend and arm and a leg.


44 posted on 02/21/2009 2:32:58 PM PST by angelsonmyside
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To: Guns

Love the pic and the screen name. “guns”. Not much else need be said.


45 posted on 02/21/2009 3:53:53 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberalism is Communism, and both are a mental disorder. Grow up.)
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To: Guns

“Just another weekend at the Guns household...view from the front porch”

What did you do to tick them off?


46 posted on 02/21/2009 4:12:06 PM PST by bricklayer
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To: Guns

Oooops!

I should have read a few more posts before posting.


47 posted on 02/21/2009 4:15:01 PM PST by bricklayer
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To: divine_moment_of_facts
“What kind of protection is there for that?”

During the LA (Rodney King) riots, the Korean shopkeepers did pretty well with semi-auto rifles and shotguns and a few people with them on top of the roofs. Mobs do not want to be shot. Talk to your neighbors, make friends, take them shooting. Do this *before* you have to.
48 posted on 02/21/2009 6:08:24 PM PST by marktwain
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To: wolfcreek

Pistol grip only shotguns are a poor choice for serious defense. Seriously awkward to aim, and dangerous to your teeth if you do. The “spread” is negligible at defensive distances; the “just point in the general direction” meme is a myth.
I know - I have one (M590 AOW 14”). It’s a toy.

Real defensive guns for beginners:
Glock 19
Mossberg 500/590 or Remington 870 (with stock!)
AR15


49 posted on 02/21/2009 6:59:43 PM PST by ctdonath2
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To: Yorlik803
and one very cross orange tabby cat named “Sarah”.

Adding one tabby cat to my list!
50 posted on 02/21/2009 8:30:31 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts
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To: divine_moment_of_facts

Dont forget to make sure she is cross.


51 posted on 02/22/2009 6:42:43 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Freedom- 07-04-1776-11-06-2008. RIP)
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To: omega4179

No rats in South Beach?


52 posted on 02/22/2009 6:43:22 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: Yorlik803

I have Ma Deuce envy!


53 posted on 02/22/2009 6:46:10 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: All

Glock 23c is a good choice. Shot mine for the first yesterday. Recoil not too bad and it hits where you want it.


54 posted on 02/22/2009 6:52:54 AM PST by securityman
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To: securityman
Glock 23c is a good choice. Shot mine for the first yesterday. Recoil not too bad and it hits where you want it.

A compensated pistol is not useful for home defense in low light conditions.

The upward blast will blind you in low light conditions.

They are great for competitions, reducing muzzle lift.


55 posted on 02/22/2009 7:28:15 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: Ikemeister
Use Glazer or Mag Safe ammo. If you miss, the bullet won’t go through the wall and kill someone innocent, but if it hits the bad guy, he’s in for one very bad day.

Some use the Corbon Pow'Rball with frangible bullets.

56 posted on 02/22/2009 7:34:24 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: omega4179; All
Beginners should start with NRA Certified training

I'm not sure how Remington made up their safety rules.

I would recommend training from an
NRA Certified Instructor

in

NRA training for women
Refuse to be a victim
Basic pistol
Personal protection in the home
and the newly released
Personal protection outside the home

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

NRA T/C CRSO

57 posted on 02/22/2009 7:49:08 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: XeniaSt; All

incase anyone missed it:

this is an old youtube video of a police officer shooting himself DURING A SAFETY CLASS. (in the leg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eyJM-go7Bk

this video is why some police departments do not do gun safety classes any more. They leave it to the NRA.


58 posted on 02/22/2009 7:54:29 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


59 posted on 02/22/2009 7:59:17 AM PST by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: XeniaSt

Internet falsehood.


60 posted on 02/22/2009 12:57:24 PM PST by securityman
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