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Congress Can Fix Any Obama Citizenship Problem
Town Hall ^ | 1/11/09 | reasonmclucus

Posted on 01/11/2009 1:34:12 PM PST by kathsua

Was Richard Nixon right? Are presidents above the law? Congress seems to think so. It has no plans to require Barack Obama to produce evidence that he is a "natural born citizen" of the United States in order to take the office of President.

If Congress isn't going to require Obama to prove he is a citizen, it should do the next best thing and enact legislation that insures he qualifies regardess of where he was born or any subsequent actions that could have compromised his citizenship under existing legislation.

Failure to insure Obama is a citizen could create a constitutional crisis if the courts eventually recognize that they have to consider whether or not Obama is qualified to sign acts of Congress into law and enforce them. If an unqualified president can sign bills into law than it is no longer important whether or not the bills themselves comply with the Consitution.

The courts have thus far rejected lawsuits questioning the "standing" of the plaintiffs to raise the issue. A person being prosecuted for violating a law would have "standing" to question if the law were properly signed into law.

Failure to insure that Obama is a citizen could allow nations that have evidence he may not be a citizen to use that evidence to blackmail him into doing what they want.

Congess wants states to require us to provide proof of citizenship to renew drivers' licenses we have had for decades. Shouldn't it impose the same requirements on those who want to be president, or isn't it important whether or not a president complies with the Constitution?

So far Obama has only produced a vague "Certification of Live Birth" that Hawaii issues for babies that might have been born outside of Hawaii, including outside the U.S., to Hawaiian parents. According to Hawaiian statues:

"[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."

Barack Obama's mother certainly would have taken advantage of this option if her baby had been born in Kenya as some have alleged but not proved. Pregnant Mexican have been known to cross the border into the U.S. for the sole purpose of allowing their children to be born as U.S. citizens. Obama's mother would have wanted the same for her baby if she had miscalcuated and been in Kenya at the wrong time.

Dr Chiyome Fukino has stated: "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

However, she has not said that the document states Obama was born in Hawaii.

Hawaii's "policies and procedures" even allow "Amended certificates of birth [to] be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country."

Based on past political controversies, the refusal to state that Obama was born in the U.S. indicates that he probably was not born in the U.S. Those who blindly accept Obama's claim that he is a citizen have forgotten President William "I never had sexual relations with that woman" Clinton.

If I wanted to be president, I would be willing to let the Washington Post publish a copy of my birth certificate on its front page. After all who is going to attempt to steal the identity of the President of the United States. Obama's refusal to make his complete birth certificate public indicates he is hiding something. What else would he be afraid of than that the document shows he was born outside the U.S.?

It is generally accepted that Obama's mother was a U.S. citizen, but some question whether he was born in Hawaii or Kenya. Congress could eliminate this problem by making provisions in 1986 legislation retroactive to some time prior to Obama's birth. Any child born to an American parent, or at least an American citizen mother, would automatically be a U.S. citizen. Congress could require DNA evidence for those who claim an American citizen father. There is legal precedent for basing a child's legal status on the mother's legal status. During the period of slavery a child was considered free or slave based on whether the mother was free or slave.

Other questions about Obama's citizenship involve him becoming an through adoption by his stepfather Lolo Soetoro. They cite a school document indicating he is an Indonesian citizen. If Obama failed to follow the proper legal actions to negate that citizenship, Congress could change the law so that his failure isn't important. Another set of allegations involve a suggestion he traveled under a non-U.S. passport after becoming an adult. This allegation would involve legal restrictions that Congress could easily change so that they don't affect Obama's citizenship

If any of the allegations about Obama.not being a U.S. citizen are correct, there are likely documents possessed by foreign documents that would confirm the allegations. If Kenya has a document indicating Obama was born there, Kenya could use the document get financial support from the Obama administration or even military assistance in the event of a civil war. If Indonesia has documents showing Obama as an Indonesian citizen such as an Indonesian passport, it could use documents to coerce Obama into helping the Indonesian government. If Obama traveled to another country using a non-U.S. passport the countries he visited might blackmail him.

If Obama isn't a citizen and the courts don't remove him, or if the fact isn't discovered until after he leaves office, a precedent would exist for naturalized citizens such as Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to become president.

I don't know if Obama is an American citizen or not, but if he is he can easily eliminate any doubt by making his birth certificate public. His failure to do so indicates he is covering up something. The something he is most likely covering up is that he was not born a U.S. citizen and the only way he can constitutionally serve as president is if Congress changes the law so that he does qualify as a citizen.

If Congress doesn't insure Obama is a citizen and the courts remove him because he isn't a citizen, Congress would have to repass every piece of legislation passed between the time Obama took office and the courts ruled he was not constitutionally qualified to sign legislation into law. If the Democratic Congress allowed a non-citizen Democrat to become president, the public might react by refusing to ever again vote for a Democrat for any office.

We average citizens have to prove to government we are citizens just to renew an old driver's license. Shouldn't those who want to run our government have to prove to us that they are citizens before they take office? Or are elitist politicians above the law.


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: artbell; barackobama; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; citizenship; crackerheads; eligibility; hawaii; kenya; thekenyan
I don't think Congress should change the law to help Obama. If he's an illegal alien he should be deported or jailed not rewarded.
1 posted on 01/11/2009 1:34:15 PM PST by kathsua
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To: kathsua
According to Hawaiian statues...

That statute wasn't passed until 1983. What did the law in 1961 say?

2 posted on 01/11/2009 1:37:48 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: kathsua
...Based on past political controversies, the refusal to state that Obama was born in the U.S. indicates that he probably was not born in the U.S.

uh..no. the refusal is because it's against hawaian law to divulge contents of the b'cert.
3 posted on 01/11/2009 1:53:36 PM PST by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: kathsua

I’m still waiting for a reply...

December 10, 2008

Dear Congresswoman,

Last month’s Presidential election’s results may have indicated a clear winner to millions of Americans but for me Barrack Obama has a question to answer about his place of birth before he becomes anything more than a pretender in Office.

I’ll spare you the ordeal of listing facts about his birth mystery. You surely know the story by now. If, by chance, your only exposure to news is the mainstream media, I’ll be happy to send the information necessary to bring you and the other silent Republican members of Congress up to speed on this subject.

I am requesting you and your Party mates either come out with the necessary information Barack Obama refuses to disclose or apply sufficient pressure to Barack Obama to come clean about his birthplace so that even us dumb Americans will recognize it as truth.

Here’s something to think about. Just about every registered Republican knows by now that anyone can get a Hawaiian birth certificate no matter where in the world their birth happened. Just about every registered Republican believes that’s how Barack Obama got a birth certificate that sends a clear implication he was born in the United States.

To sully Barack Obama’s crumbling reputation even further, last week replies from every hospital in the Islands regarding an inquiry about whether they hosted Barack Obama’s birth were published. With the exception of one that returned a no comment, they replied they have no record of contact with Barack Obama’s birth taking place within their walls.

I guess it’s possible the one that replied no comment could have been his place of birth.

But, I don’t know and neither do millions of other Americans. And that is a serious problem for our Nation.

What will you do to help find the truth in this matter?

**************

That was sent to Congresswoman Bono-Mack.


4 posted on 01/11/2009 1:54:12 PM PST by MurrietaMadman ("...You are no more a protector of the Constitution than am I," Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) shouted)
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To: kathsua
If Obama isn't a citizen and the courts don't remove him, or if the fact isn't discovered until after he leaves office, a precedent would exist for naturalized citizens such as Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to become president.

That's what I've been saying all along but I'm not sure something done under cover of deception can be used as precedent. As far as naturalized citizens are concerned, I've said again and again that Jenny Granholm is being groomed for the job.
5 posted on 01/11/2009 1:55:57 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: kathsua
Aw shucks - they keep telling us that the US Constitution is passe.

Anybody who takes the time to read the Constitution will find that the democrats have made it passe when it is convenient for their goals.

6 posted on 01/11/2009 2:03:07 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: kathsua

Wasn’t there something about Hitler being Austrian and illegible for political office in Germany until somehow he was made a citizen????


7 posted on 01/11/2009 2:03:31 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: cripplecreek

There will be no presidency or U.S. (as we know it) after two terms of “the one.”


8 posted on 01/11/2009 2:03:53 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: oldtimer
the democrats have made it passe when it is convenient for their goals.

No kidding. Take a look at the quiet sucess they're having at sidestepping the electoral college. One house in my state has already passed . It means that even if we vote 100% GOP and other pact members vote democrat, our electors will vote democrat as well.

hlb-6610 (Pdf file)

National popular vote

Why the GOP isn't raising holy hell about this is beyond me.
9 posted on 01/11/2009 2:19:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

If he’s found to be an unnatural American, he should be arrested like Blago and any legislation or presidential edicts should be declared null and void. Serious anti-Americans like Soros could be the driving force behind the Alinsky-zero election.


10 posted on 01/11/2009 2:19:52 PM PST by yorkie01
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To: kathsua
The difference between a Democracy and a Republic something we seem to have forgotten and which we must explain to everyone. A Republic is a rule of law. A democracy is a rule of the majority. The Founding Fathers gave us a REPUBLIC, not a democracy.
11 posted on 01/11/2009 2:20:07 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (YOU can get your own Bail Out . . .Dec 18 post at http://auntiecoosa.blogspot.com)
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To: HighlyOpinionated

>>>The Founding Fathers gave us a REPUBLIC, not a democracy.

If we could keep it. We’re about to find out we didn’t do the keeping it part.


12 posted on 01/11/2009 2:22:11 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (ESPN MNF: 3 Putzes talking about football on TV while I'm trying to watch a game.)
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To: yorkie01
like Blago and any legislation or presidential edicts should be declared null and void.

My fear is that other nations will do exactly that. The possibility has already been raised by foreign newspapers so they are aware. It will do serious harm to our reputation in the world even if he's forced to prove it for someone else.
13 posted on 01/11/2009 2:33:46 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: kathsua
If the Democratic Congress allowed a non-citizen Democrat to become president, the public might react by refusing to ever again vote for a Democrat for any office.

Why the trolls and establishment fight so hard to keep the truth under wraps from the public. The Dems would probably win some offices eventually, but the truth about Obama coming out would slam their election operations back to the stone age.

14 posted on 01/11/2009 2:35:30 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: kathsua


15 posted on 01/11/2009 3:15:02 PM PST by Colonial Warrior (Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction.)
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To: stylin19a

16 posted on 01/11/2009 3:18:16 PM PST by Colonial Warrior (Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction.)
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If this works for Obama, then the rest of us should stop paying taxes and expect Congress to pass laws making this legal. This column is misguided (if I wanted to be mean, I’d say it was stupid).


17 posted on 01/11/2009 8:16:11 PM PST by OneTimeComment
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To: kathsua

If Congress isn’t going to require Obama to prove he is a citizen, it should do the next best thing and enact legislation that insures he qualifies regardess of where he was born or any subsequent actions that could have compromised his citizenship under existing legislation.

I don’t think Congress should change the law to help Obama. If he’s an illegal alien he should be deported or jailed not rewarded.

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I seem to remember a little thing called the Constitution ...

Congress could NOT pass such a law - it could ONLY be changed via a constitutional amendment or constitutional convention ...


18 posted on 01/12/2009 1:27:06 AM PST by Lmo56
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To: kathsua
No, Congress cannot pass a law that redefines the Constitutional requirement.

I find this story very interesting as it relates to the zer0bama foreign travels.

Obama's Intelligence Adviser Involved in Security Breach
19 posted on 01/12/2009 9:41:46 PM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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