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Factcheck chickens out: takes cheap shots at patriots
The Greater Evil ^ | 12/12/08 | Polarik

Posted on 12/13/2008 7:31:52 AM PST by Polarik

Part One: Factcheck fraud continues taking cheap shots at patriots

One day before the six-month anniversary of Obama's forged birth certificate posting, Factcheck.org packed up its tent, hopped back on its high horse, and rode out of Dodge. In the wake of their run for cover, Factcheck left behind a cutesy video titled, the "Circus is Still in Town," likening what's left of the 2008 election cycle to a three-ring circus -- and who knows more about a circus than a bunch of clowns pretending to be a nonpartisan research group?

Here is a link to the video: "Good-bye for Now"

In "Ring Number One," as the smarmy-mouthed commentator babbled on, and as the title header changed,

"We have the repeatedly answered but persistent question of the President-Elect citizenship. {The new header now reads Obama is a Natural-Born Citizen: Supreme Court rejects birth certificate challenge} Pay particular attention to her body language and the positioning of her head to her body-- she appears as if she is either hard-of-hearing or needs to talk out of the left side of her mouth. I might opt for the latter explanation if Factcheck had not been been talking out of both sides all year long.

The commentator begins by scolding Factcheck's critics as if they were children, "We received several e-mails questioning Obama's status as a US-born natural citizen, even after we published multiple reports on the subject, that Obama has furnished the documentation necessary to prove that he is, indeed, a US citizen."

Notice how coyly Factcheck states a bald-faced lie in that last sentence. First, they claim that they have received several "emails questioning Obama's status as a US-born natural citizen," as if three emails are the most important challenges to their "Natural-born" lie. But, then they end it saying that Obama "furnished documentation to prove that he is a US citizen," which is also a lie in addition to not providing any documentation on his alleged "natural-born status."

The next sequence shows a background graphic of an email form, like Windows Mail, followed by heavy, black letters appearing one letter at a time, as if they were being typed by a real person creating a real email. Both the choices and content of the emails are bogus as well. They are carefully crafted "straw men" deliberately written and worded to make the viewer believe that stupid people who cannot spell wrote these, thus making it child's play for the condescending commentator to either trash them or ignore them with ease.

The first "email" writes that the birth certificate (COLB) is questionable because it came from a "tainted source," the Obama campaign. However, no comment from the commentator. The second "email" says that Factcheck never looked at the original birth certificate because it lacked footprints or hand prints, "You never had a baby or you would know that they print his foot prints on 3 or 4 blank birth certificate documents." No comment again.

But, then the commentator continues, "And yet we others claim that because "Obama held US and Kenyan citizenship as a child...he lost his Kenyan citizenship after he turned 21." However, the actual text on their email graphic reads that "If he [Obama] held U.K. citizenship and Kenyan citizenship when he was born, then he cannot be a natural born citizen of the US." Notice that the question specifically states that Obama held dual citizenship when he was born, but Factcheck changed "born" to "child," thinking it has avoided the problem of "When did Obama acquire Kenyan citizenship?" and, most importantly, was Obama born in Kenya?"

Well, wouldn't you know that the last "email" they posted completely changed the subject as it was written as if it came from an anti-Obama Troll," You lowlife anti constitutional dirtbags. You didn;t fool everyone!"

The title header changes once again, with the tag line reading, "Creative insults don't change the facts." Insults may not change the truth, but the truth is of no concern to Factcheck. Factcheck The commentator continues, "But regardless of what some people may think of our reporting, the Supreme Court has rejected a challenge by..." and then launches into a bastardized description of Leo Donofrio's case. She then says that, "There is at least one other case.." referring, of course, to Phil Berg's lawsuit, focusing only on the part that claims Obama was born in Kenya, and not Hawaii. Then, with her eyebrows raised and her eyelids shut, and in a demeaning tone of voice, she conveys that quintessential air of superiority so typical of the Leftist media, the commentator rebuffs Berg's notion by stating,"Berg has produced no proof to support his claim."

This would have been a good time to switch the header graphic to read, "Condescending blow-offs don't change the facts."

This piece ends with a complete misquote from Hawaii's Vital Statistics rules that, "Birth certificates may not be seen by persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record." So much for "checking facts." The correct wording of the rule is that, "A certified copy of a vital record (birth, death, marriage, or divorce certificate) is issued only to an applicant who has a direct and tangible interest in the record." NOTE: there is a huge difference between "seeing" someone's certified birth certificate, and "being issued" someone's birth certificate. America has been asking Obama to SHOW HIS REAL, CERTIFIED PAPER DOCUMENT, and not for 300 million of us to receive our own certified copy of it.

Keep in mind, also, the big difference between asking for and receiving a "certified copy" of a birth record, and one that is not certified -- which is called a "Letter of Verification," and is one that an agency can request and receive.

Finally, Factcheck throws in the oft-misquoted statement made by Directors Fukino and Onaka of Hawaii's health Department. Although the commentator read it verbatim, the timing and placement of it (at the end) was done to makle the viewer think that the brass at the Health Department verified Obama's Hawaiian birth -- which has never been done, and is the only thing that we ask. Factcheck's fraud, however, is intended to keep us from even asking the question.

So, why did Factcheck make such a hasty exit? I've heard a rumor that they are laying low for legal reasons, but I do not know why. After all, what do they have to hide? {chuckle-chuckle}

Part Two: How I scanned and analyzed a real Certification of Live Birth

Or, "What Factcheck's image scan might have been if it were not bogus."

I made a video, dedicated to FReepers everywhere, that demonstrates the proper scan a real, paper Certification of Live Birth so that ALL of its critical features are visible, such as the Seal, upper fold, lower fold, and the texture of the paper. I also show how to use

As soon as I get the file uploaded, I'll post it.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; factcheck; fraud; obama; obamatruthfile; video
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To: Polarik

The factcheck sh!t is typical Axelrod astroturfing deceit. Why is it that the apologists for this affiramtive action fraud from Chicago’s criminal political machine never have to answer why the documentation to prove Barack/Barry Obama/Soetoro is eligible is not brought forward to the authorities in such matters but forgeries are replete flowing from propaganda arms?


41 posted on 12/13/2008 12:15:36 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: zarodinu

>>>>> Sniff...sniff <<<<<


42 posted on 12/13/2008 12:18:47 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: hoosiermama

The DNC and Obama has scammed around a billion dollars from sources using the pretender. The forgeries have gooten them so much money it is doubtful they would be held accountable for the use of forgeries to scam folks ... the unwritten alw of gross misconduct, the grosser the easier to avoid punishment.


43 posted on 12/13/2008 12:24:29 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: hoosiermama
What is the penalty for posting a fraudulent document? Is there legal consequences for misleading the people?

I actually wrote about them in the introduction to my final report, which is posted here on FR.

There are Fefderal laws against creating and proferring a false identification document, but I'm not exactly sure how stringently it would be applied to a false identification document image rather than to a physical document, but given the severities associated with committing electronically-based fraud, and assuming that the penalties are the same, the penalties for a false identification document are up to 15 years in a federal penitentiary and a maximum fine of $250,000.

Where is the "Deep Throat" of 2008?

What if someone inside Annenberg or the Obama Camp were to slip-up, or step forward, and blow the whistle on how they forged these images and/or the photos at the request of, or with the blessing of Barack Obama?

If that were to happen, the FBI, CIA, and the NSA would get their hands on Obama's original birth certificate, like yesterday.

Why is it that nobody has ever asked Obama, or even his Press Secretary, point-blank, to confirm whether the COLB images and photographs posted online are true copies of Obama's genuine, certified paper COLB, whether Obama personally authorized his Campaign to copy it and post it to their website; whether Obama authorized it to be distributed to Factcheck, Politifact, and the Daily Kos, and whether Obama authorized Factcheck to take photograph of it and post them, too.

Once the link is established between Obama and the posted forgeries, then you've got another legal avenue to his real, birth certificate.

The failure to present a real birth certificate to prove natural-born status is a separate issue from producing a false identification document, for you can do one without ever having to do the other.

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44 posted on 12/13/2008 12:49:11 PM PST by Polarik (quote)
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To: Polarik

BTW, here is the link to the original video posted on Factcheck's website:

http://www.factcheck.org/just-the-facts/good-bye_for_now.html

The part about Obama's birth certificate begins 38 seconds into it, at the 00:30 mark


45 posted on 12/13/2008 12:51:23 PM PST by Polarik (quote)
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To: gitmo

“Using factcheck.org to validate factcheck.org’s claims. Thanks for the laugh.

Yep. Complaining of “Internet conspiracies” then uses the #1 site as a reference for such things. Funny.


46 posted on 12/13/2008 1:23:12 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: Polarik

“What if someone inside Annenberg or the Obama Camp were to slip-up, or step forward, and blow the whistle on how they forged these images and/or the photos at the request of, or with the blessing of Barack Obama?”

Didn’t someone on KOS admit to creating it? Certainly, there were plenty of templates (fill in the blanks) forms flying around soon enough afterwards.


47 posted on 12/13/2008 1:38:18 PM PST by Nipfan (The desire to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it - H L Mencken)
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To: gitmo
Then how do you know you were actually born?

I understand your skepticism, as my mother is a Democrat. I should be so lucky that I survived that pregnancy. :)

My daughter is about one month old and we just received her birth certificate from the State of Maryland. That one does not have her hand and foot prints either. Granted, I did not witness her birth as my wife had a C-Section, so it is entirely possible in the 5 seconds between the time the doctor cut her open and the time I saw my daughter, there could have been a swap. My wife's birth certificate, which was issued by Pennsylvania, also lacks these features. She was able to use that birth certificate to get a US passport in 2007. I was born in California and my hand and footprint-less birth certificate also got me a US passport.

Regarding Hussein though, I do believe he was indeed born in Hawaii, but I think he's stonewalling because there's something on his birth certificate that he wants to hide. I don't understand why he'd feel this way as he cannot help the supposedly "bad" things that ended up on his birth certificate.

48 posted on 12/13/2008 1:49:58 PM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: Nipfan

Do a search on a guy named McKinney and DailyKos. He is the one who admitted to doing a template, that first started as a joke, but then was afraid of legal implications so came forward. After doing so, he changed his story, like everyone else with connections to the Obama crime syndicate.

I’m sure someone had a talk with McKinney after he was interviewed by the Israeli Insider.


49 posted on 12/13/2008 1:52:02 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: pnh102

You know what’s interesting about Hawaii though ..

The cancer institute in Hawaii that Obama’s Mom supposedly died at .. they have no record of her being there.

For both Obama’s Grandma and his Mom, there were only memorial services with no body in each case.

Hawaii Grandma hasn’t been seen on video, interview, or even a picture for several years before Obama ran for President.

Someone is still using Ann Dunham’s SS# as Ann Soetoro.


50 posted on 12/13/2008 2:00:48 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: CodeToad
A COLB does not establish where a person was born or when.

Right. Then why does it explicitly list the birth place and birth date?

Are you saying the State of Hawaii systematically lies on its official documents?

51 posted on 12/13/2008 2:21:49 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Cicero; Polarik
FactCheck and FighttheSmears posted a graphic image of a supposed COLB, which can readily be proved to be a fake or, if you prefer, a forgery.

Yup. It's been "proven" a fake by a guy using a fake name and claiming a fake Ph.D. in an academic disclipline that doesn't exist. Funny how not a single expert with verifiable credentials, using his real name has validated "Dr." Polarik's analysis.

In fact, such experts have come out and refuted "Dr." Polarik's analysis:

http://hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/235-Bad-Science-How-Not-To-Do-Image-Analysis-Part-II.html

Yup. "Dr." Polarik's supposed "proof" is just the sort of evidence you'd expect to satisfy a 9-11 conspiracy kook.

Not the sort of evidence that satisfies sane people, however.

52 posted on 12/13/2008 2:31:07 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

So what does satisfy sane people? A doctered-up Photoslop image?

It should stand to reason that anyone with an IQ over 85 would want *real* proof, the same proof all other Candidates past and present have provided.


53 posted on 12/13/2008 2:33:13 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: pnh102
"Does a birth certificate really require hand and foot prints? My own COLB does not have these."

Not sure about Hawaii in 1961. My kids had their foot print taken for their BCs when they were born.

Besides the point. Obama should simply provide a copy of his BC. Why not? He won't or can't.

Same reason John Kerry will not provide his Military information.

Next time the matter will be likely even more outrageous. The "privacy" issues will be used to circumvent the Constitution in ways that we by and large have not even considered yet.

54 posted on 12/13/2008 2:40:15 PM PST by Radix (Posting cynical responses ever since...."What time is it anyhow?")
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To: Radix
Obama should simply provide a copy of his BC. Why not? He won't or can't.

Exactly. We have a right as Americans to know who our leaders are. Besides, if McCain had won the left would be demanding the same from him.

55 posted on 12/13/2008 2:44:21 PM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: jetxnet
So what does satisfy sane people? A doctered-up Photoslop image?

The only one saying it's doctored is a guy using a fake name claiming a fake Ph.D. in an academic discipline that doesn't exist.

56 posted on 12/13/2008 2:51:51 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

I’m saying it’s doctored, was obvious to me right away.

So, are you saying that the image alone provides proof of Obama’s natural-born citizenship?


57 posted on 12/13/2008 2:56:11 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: Radix
Besides the point. Obama should simply provide a copy of his BC.

The COLB he produced (and no, it's not a fake, the claims of guy with a phony Ph.D. notwithstanding) is enough to establish his natural-born citizenship status.

I doubt he has his original BC. I don't have mine. Why should he bother trying to get a copy, if the COLB is sufficient to prove his eligibility?

Some states only provide copies of the COLB and will not give you a copy of the BC. I'm not sure whether this is the case in Hawaii, but in any case, it doesn't matter.

58 posted on 12/13/2008 2:56:53 PM PST by curiosity
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To: jetxnet
I’m saying it’s doctored, was obvious to me right away.

I seriously doubt you're qualified to judge.

So, are you saying that the image alone provides proof of Obama’s natural-born citizenship?

No, but there's enough corroborating evidence that he was born in Hawaii to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

At least 2 media outlets examined the paper copy of his COLB and confirmed in was not a fraud. One was factcheck. The other was the rabid anti-obama WorldNutDaily.

Hawaii officials confirmed he was born in Hawaii.

Yes, I know, originally they only said they had his birth certificate, as was repeated ad nausiam by so many Freeper Birthers, but officials later confirmed he was born in Hawaii.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html

There's the birth announcement in the Holonlulu advertiser.

And finally, there is zero reason to believe that Obama's mother traveled to Kenya while pregnant.

59 posted on 12/13/2008 3:01:59 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity
I seriously doubt you're qualified to judge. I'm a Computer Scientist, should be as good as anyone to Judge something like this No, but there's enough corroborating evidence that he was born in Hawaii to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. At least 2 media outlets examined the paper copy of his COLB and confirmed in was not a fraud. One was factcheck. The other was the rabid anti-obama WorldNutDaily. Ok, we all know Factcheck is run and operated by Annenberg - the same Annenberg that Obama and Ayers started. Factcheck has a more than obvious affinity for Obama. The site is rediculous at best. Worldnetdaily? Since when .. they did not evaluate any paper-copy of COLB? Provide this information please. Hawaii officials confirmed he was born in Hawaii. Says who? Are you talking about the statement from the director of the health department? She said they evaluated COLB, but stopped short and DID NOT say he was born in Hawaii. If you disagree, please provide the statement and by whom that said he was indeed born in Hawaii, and not just that they evaluated a COLB. Yes, I know, originally they only said they had his birth certificate, as was repeated ad nausiam by so many Freeper Birthers, but officials later confirmed he was born in Hawaii. Ok, please provide any evidence to support this and not some blog .. anyone can write a blog claiming this or that. Show us some real proof here. There's the birth announcement in the Holonlulu advertiser. Yeahp, only an announcement. You can be born somewhere else and have the local newspaper of your hometown put an announcement in that paper that you had a baby etc., so the friends back home can read about it. Again, that does not show any proof what-so-ever. And finally, there is zero reason to believe that Obama's mother traveled to Kenya while pregnant.
60 posted on 12/13/2008 3:12:35 PM PST by jetxnet
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