Posted on 12/11/2008 3:30:02 PM PST by STARWISE
PREAMBLE
This week has been quite enlightening as to the blatantly obvious fact that our “Fourth Estate” press corps have been transmogrified into propaganda ponies polly wanna crackering whatever may be handed down to them from “The One Corporation - your source for everything…” (cue eery theme tune). They don’t report the news anymore. No. Now they tell you what they want the news to be. There’s a huge difference.
For the record, my law suit was brought to remove three candidates from the ballots - three candidates who have big Constitutional issues as to their eligibility.
At the time of his birth, Obama was a British/Kenyan citizen by descent of his father. Because I pointed out pesky international laws which governed his citizenship due to the fact that a father has every legal right in the world to have the laws of his nation apply to his son, I have been labeled a conspiracy freakoid of nature.
Never mind that I included demands for Panama John McCain and the Nicaraguan born Roger Calero to also be removed from our ballots. No, they don’t want to talk about that do they - because it would blow the “he’s just another Obama hater” mantra clear out of play.
A citizen (me) raised the Constitutional issue of first impression as to the meaning of “natural born Citizen” in Article 2, Section 1, of the United States Constitution - that ultimate pesky legal document for those who would rather “be” the law instead of following it.
What are the Fourth Estate propagandists worried about? Thou doth protest too much. Me thinks so. Why? Because the law is against their man - it indicates Barack Obama is not a natural born Citizen of the United States. And most of the media pundits have basically agreed by default. I say this because when yelling and mocking the issue, their main argument is not that the law is on their side (they know it isn’t), but rather that the law shouldn’t be discussed at all.
PRESIDENTIAL PRECEDENT
Other than the fraud perpetrated by Chester Arthur (see prior stories), every post grandfather clause President of this nation was born in the United States to parents who were US Citizens.
In their wisdom, they recognized the danger in having people born under the jurisdiction of another country taking the role of commander in chief.
They did this recognizing that multitudes of loyal men wouldn’t be eligible, but they also knew that they couldn’t see into the soul of all possible candidates, so just to be safe, they put a restriction in the Document which is there to protect us from a sneak attack in the oval office by somebody who might have loyalty to another nation.
The framers themselves were good men, loyal to this infant nation, but they recognized that people like them had to be excluded from future Presidential eligibility as an order of protection.
McCain and Obama know that.
And in my stay application, I never accused either man of disloyalty. Quite the opposite.
*snip*
As to John McCain they would have found this:
Senator John McCain is an American patriot who has valiantly suffered more for this country than most of us ever will.
He has shown bravery beyond that which the country has any right to ask, and it is with very deep and sincere regret that I respectfully request that this Honorable Court order the Secretaries of the several States to remove John McCain’s name from the ballots.
I couldn’t have shown the candidates more respect. But both of them should have known that if either were to become President - despite the loyalty they have for this country - the dam would be broken and the waters of foreign influence would be forever capable of drowning our national sovereignty and placing our military in the hands of enemies from within.
IT’S NOT ABOUT OBAMA OR McCAIN - IT’S ABOUT WHO COMES NEXT. THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT AND FALLEN ON THEIR PRESIDENTIAL SWORDS TO PROTECT THIS COUNTRY
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Rest at link
Did you bother to follow the sources I already linked to you? Gees.
So GGG, how does the immune system act to “check” HIV infection of helper T-cells other than by killing infected helper T-cells.
Care to answer?
Anyway it should be easy to back up your claim without claiming I need to follow linked sources.
For example...
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
Anyone born inside the United States
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
It seems like you didn't read my initial response to your original post of this mishmash that includes obvious "Dual Citizens" who are not Natural Born because the has "DUAL CITIZENSHIP" which means they are Citizens of another COUNTRY for at least part of their lives.
As I went over all of this, gave examples from various individuals including a Gentleman who what credited in crafting the 14th Amendment then linked to the sources of those quotes
It seems that a response to a demand of sources with a mention to follow the sources given is completely appropriate and that you are intentionally not even paying attention.
The framers of the Consitution specifically delt with their own status as "Former" British Citizens and their children born during this period specially to explain how a Natural Born citizen differs from any normal Citizen.
All of the people you mention in the current code have a claim to US citizenship, and this has never been in question. The issue is what is the meaning of Natural Born and why is this special status noted and required when it is not required for any other office or job in the whole of the United States.
The Framers were clear they wanted the President to have allegiance
to no other Country or Power in their entire life and not have ties via their parents either.
The reason for this is all to clear. Especially with Barach Obama who cannot reasonably claim not to have deep conflicts of interest when dealing with Kenya, Indonesia, and the British Common Wealth.
He participated in the elections in Kenya in support of his own family members and is the perfect example of an individual who the framers were attempting to prevent from assuming the most powerful position in the US.
One has to literally turn their backs on all of the discussion and the very laws written at the time point to the conception of a Natural Born being a person who was born to Parents who were at least Naturalized Citizens at their time of birth and within the Sovereign control of the United States.
A negative test almost makes as much sense. A natural born can never have a claim to Dual Citizenship. Being born in a Foreign Soverenty would give an individual a claim to citizenship in that Soverenty. Being born of a Foreign Citizen in the US would give that child a claim to the Citizenship of the Parent, just as several of the tests you preferred do.
The Natural Born cannot by any stretch or test not be understood as a US citizen. Thus no law is needed to define their status claim because their claim is always incontrovertible.
Then the framers grandfathered themselves and the immediate generation of the Revolution and then broke off the stick as it were denying "Natural Born" status to any others than the children of US citizens born in the US.
Now you asked for sources.. and I have given you better than citations. I provided the links which have links and citations abound. Plus pictures and analysis from diverse sources. And, then you claim I should be able to source without providing links because you are to lazy to click a link. But the frank reasonable conclusion is you don't want to click a link for fear of actually learning something.
Sorry, every definition I have ever seen from a reputable source shows that “natural born” and “citizen at birth” are synonymous. There are two types of citizens, the natural born who were citizens at birth, and the naturalized who became citizens by some process.
“It’s somewhere else” is the typical ploy of someone who doesn’t have the goods.
From usconstitution.net
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
Anyone born inside the United States
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
this is the first I have heeard this about Jindal.
Thanks for the link...this is getting interesting!
FROM Leo Donofrio:http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
[UPDATE - 11:10 AM Sat. Dec 13, 2008]: Yesterday, a SCOTUS clerk told Cort his decision wouldn’t be released untill Monday. This was at approximately 11:00 AM while the Justices were still behind closed doors.
Tonight I will publish a point by point breakdown explaining why the application I prepared for Cort’s brief was so much stronger than the one in my own.]
The Leo Donofrio states that Obama cannot is not a Natural Born Citizen based on the fact that his father was not an American citizen at the time of Obama’s birth. So, therefore, Bobby Jindal is not a natural born citizen based on the fact that neither his mother or father were U.S. citizens at the time of Bobby’s birth.
And the last time I read the Constitution, I found that the Framers did not see necessary to include a “Bobby Jindal” Clause in the Constitution.
However, Roberts,Scalia,Thomas and Alito see the Donofrio case as B.S. so that would mean that Bobby is qualified.
Further update from Leo Donofrio from tonight:
“[UPDATE - 6:20 PM Sat. Dec. 13, 2008]: Just became aware of Plains Radio’s gross statements regarding Barack Obama’s health. Leo Donofrio will not be on Plains Radio again.”
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Leo wants to remain away from unfounded statements and divisive opinions. He just wants to be associated with documented facts.
Which gross statements? I’d hate to think I missed out...
Leo is a really good guy. Who is the idiot over at Plains that ticked off Leo? Joe Thunder is pals with Lan Lanphere (jerk). ed hale is a nice guy be he tells tall tales and breaks “stories” early. Leo has never lost his credibility.
On the whole, although I appreciate so very much
the righteousness of the cause to which they’re
bringing light, I have found much unprofessionalism
in the broadcasts I’ve heard.
Prior to last night's show (Dec. 12), Ed posted a page from a Canadian website, stdarriers.com, that some misfit had posted in early November. The entry, #156, listed “Barry Sotero,” age 48, from Chicago, as being a reported carrier of genital herpes.
BACKGROUND: “Barry Sotero” is a variation of the name that Barack Obama is beleived to have used when he traveled with his mother to Indonesia and Pakistan in the 60s and 70s. “Sutoro” was the last name of the man Barack’s mother married in 1967. However, his mother seems to have used many aliases, spelling her second husband's last name “Sutoro”, “Soetoro”, “Sotero,” and reportedly others.
On the website, stdarriers.com, is the disclaimer: “The people listed on this site are listed by the public on the condition that the information being submitted is in fact true and genuine. It is possible for inaccurate information to be submitted for reasons including, but not necessarily limited to the following; ... a fabrication by the person submitting the data, a false rumor, an inaccurate published source, or a false statement by a third party....”
Well, Ed posted a “screen shot” of the page on the PlainsRadio website, which stdarriers.com deleted weeks ago from its website.
Ed touted it as “health records” of Barack Obama. Entry #156 has appeared on Hannity’s forum and other blogs and is considered by most to surely be a hoax. It NO LONGER APPEARS on the Canadian website. Most likely, it was a set-up from the Left, meant to discredit those who oppose President-Select Obama.
Ed took the bait, and posted the screenshot on the PlainsRadio website with vigor. Those in the PlainsRadio chat room at the time warned Ed of this, but Ed said it was simply a reposting of something already on the internet.
It would appear Leo found out about this and made the decision to not be on the PlainRadio network again with Ed.
It would seem that Leo, who is trying to maintain his credibility, is distancing himself QUICKLY from Ed. This is similar to how Leo distanced himself weeks ago from Lan Lamphere after Lan posted a graphic of Barack Obama with a swastika on his website.
It is a sad (but perhaps necessary) turn of events, for Ed, the PlainsRadio network, and Leo -- a minuscule bump in the road. Leo has stated repeatedly that he will NOT appear on any MSM outlets — he knows his words will be twisted and he'll be ambushed by the reporter in the interview.
IMO, this “distancing” makes perfect sense for Leo. He's an attorney who is challenging Barack Obama’s Constitutional qualifications.
If Leo may be appearing in front of the SCOTUS, Congress or anywhere else in the upcoming weeks or months, he needs to be somewhat nonpartisan and have CREDIBILITY. This battle to uphold the Constitution is far from over. This has all unfolded in front of Leo in a very short of time, and he's gone to “new media” outlets that have an audience of like-minded people on the subject of upholding Constitutional Presidential qualifications.
Credibility, once lost, is hard to regain.
... let's just say Leo is just re-selecting his associations -- very carefully ...
Oh. The one that says he has AIDS?
Either way, it's almost surely a hoax and set-up from the Left, meant to discredit those who oppose President-Select Obama’s Constitutional qualification.
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