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To: allmendream
Anyway it should be easy to back up your claim without claiming I need to follow linked sources.

It seems like you didn't read my initial response to your original post of this mishmash that includes obvious "Dual Citizens" who are not Natural Born because the has "DUAL CITIZENSHIP" which means they are Citizens of another COUNTRY for at least part of their lives.

As I went over all of this, gave examples from various individuals including a Gentleman who what credited in crafting the 14th Amendment then linked to the sources of those quotes

It seems that a response to a demand of sources with a mention to follow the sources given is completely appropriate and that you are intentionally not even paying attention.

The framers of the Consitution specifically delt with their own status as "Former" British Citizens and their children born during this period specially to explain how a Natural Born citizen differs from any normal Citizen.

All of the people you mention in the current code have a claim to US citizenship, and this has never been in question. The issue is what is the meaning of Natural Born and why is this special status noted and required when it is not required for any other office or job in the whole of the United States.

The Framers were clear they wanted the President to have allegiance

to no other Country or Power in their entire life and not have ties via their parents either.

The reason for this is all to clear. Especially with Barach Obama who cannot reasonably claim not to have deep conflicts of interest when dealing with Kenya, Indonesia, and the British Common Wealth.

He participated in the elections in Kenya in support of his own family members and is the perfect example of an individual who the framers were attempting to prevent from assuming the most powerful position in the US.

One has to literally turn their backs on all of the discussion and the very laws written at the time point to the conception of a Natural Born being a person who was born to Parents who were at least Naturalized Citizens at their time of birth and within the Sovereign control of the United States.

A negative test almost makes as much sense. A natural born can never have a claim to Dual Citizenship. Being born in a Foreign Soverenty would give an individual a claim to citizenship in that Soverenty. Being born of a Foreign Citizen in the US would give that child a claim to the Citizenship of the Parent, just as several of the tests you preferred do.

The Natural Born cannot by any stretch or test not be understood as a US citizen. Thus no law is needed to define their status claim because their claim is always incontrovertible.

Then the framers grandfathered themselves and the immediate generation of the Revolution and then broke off the stick as it were denying "Natural Born" status to any others than the children of US citizens born in the US.

Now you asked for sources.. and I have given you better than citations. I provided the links which have links and citations abound. Plus pictures and analysis from diverse sources. And, then you claim I should be able to source without providing links because you are to lazy to click a link. But the frank reasonable conclusion is you don't want to click a link for fear of actually learning something.

145 posted on 12/12/2008 11:01:54 PM PST by dalight
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To: dalight

Sorry, every definition I have ever seen from a reputable source shows that “natural born” and “citizen at birth” are synonymous. There are two types of citizens, the natural born who were citizens at birth, and the naturalized who became citizens by some process.

“It’s somewhere else” is the typical ploy of someone who doesn’t have the goods.


146 posted on 12/13/2008 12:20:52 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
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