Posted on 12/06/2008 5:15:13 PM PST by Smokeyblue
I received the following e-mail from one of the electors I have been sending letters to:
December 6, 2008
I have been asked by some concerned citizens as part of my Constitutional responsibility as a member of the College of Electors to review the evidence and make a determination regarding the natural born citizenship of Barack Hussein Obama II, or to join in a lawsuit against him in this matter. They have also forwarded a great deal of information to me which I have now reviewed.
After reading this information it is my opinion that none of it is conclusive in its own right. Most of it is speculation, rumor, or opinion rendered by "experts" or others whose qualifications and motives are suspect. However, given the volume of information put forth, the question of Mr. Obama's natural born citizenship was worth my understanding.
Since the United States Supreme Court has not rendered an opinion regarding the validity of the "natural born" status of a U.S. citizen or otherwise defined this term, I am therefore at liberty to make my own determination as a Presidential Elector. In my opinion a person is a natural born citizen if he or she is granted citizenship either at birth or at the age of majority by the United States government. And has never been required by the United States government to become "naturalized" or take the oath of citizenship. This seems to me to be a straightforward and logical understanding of the term. If you are presumed to be a U.S. citizen at your birth, and no government entity says otherwise, then in fact you are.
If someone emigrates from another country to the United States, and wishes to become a citizen, that person must enter a legal process culminating in taking the oath of citizenship and being "naturalized." This is why for example the current Governor of California cannot claim "natural born" status and become the President of the United States. He was born an Austrian. He emigrated here. He sought citizenship. And he was "naturalized" in a ceremony conducted by United States officials.
And there is also in the United States the use of Common Law as a part of our judicial system. Most of the time the law is codified by us, but in fact there are traditions and understandings which have not always been codified. My point here is that for example if you have a right of way from your property across another person's property to a road, that person after a specified period of time (dependent upon a particular state's statutes) cannot suddenly decide that you cannot cross his property anymore to get to the road. It is presumed after a certain period of time that this right of way is a right that you retain since he did not protest your crossing his property for years.
These are the two bases upon which I have rendered my decision. Even if some or all of the scenarios to which these concerned citizens have pointed regarding Mr. Obama's citizenship are true, two facts remain. The United States government has never required Mr. Obama to take the oath of citizenship, or even to render a decision at the age of majority between having U.S. citizenship and Kenyan citizenship, or U.S. citizenship and Indonesian citizenship. And he has lived here and been reared and educated as a U.S. citizen. It would seem to me that 47 years is a sufficient amount of time to have lived here as a U.S. citizen, with no government entity challenging it, for us and for Mr. Obama to presume that he is a natural born U.S. citizen.
Whether through clerical error, or bureaucratic malfeasance, or simply because it is actually true as was stated on October 31, 2008 by the Director of the Health Department for the State of Hawaii, that he was in fact born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Barack Hussein Obama II has been presumed by the United States government itself to be a natural born citizen of the United States for 47 years.
It issued him a Social Security number and a passport, obviously accepting his Hawaiian birth certificate without requiring a team of forensic scientists to examine it. He has lived in the United States as a U.S. citizen for his entire adult life. He has been not only a de facto U.S. citizen, he has been a de jure U.S. citizen. A citizenship conferred upon him by the United States government at his birth, and never questioned by any court, or executive branch official for 47 years. The United States government itself accepted his natural born citizenship when it issued him a passport without requiring him to take the oath of citizenship in a ceremony like all other immigrants to this country.
Therefore, as the Presidential Elector for the 6th Congressional District of North Carolina it is my Constitutional determination that Barack Hussein Obama II is a natural born citizen of the United States, and is qualified to become the 44th President of the United States of America. I will cast my Electoral College vote accordingly on December 15, 2008.
Sincerely,
Wayne Abraham
If this conferred foreign citizenship were not present at birth, it could not have an impact upon any current president or presidential aspirant, provided that the individual had no other questions regarding citizenship during his or her lifetime up to that point. It would be a spurious claim, anyway, with no basis in fact or in law.
...Yea, really. Glad you called. Let’s talk about the Constitution... We can start with Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 11... Fact. Presidents, as commander in chief, have engaged the United States in wars without a declaration by Congress including the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and the War in Iraq. Fact. The United States did not win the Korean War, the United States did not win the Vietnam War, and we are still at war in Iraq. Seems to me that the Constitution can be bent for political expediency when necessary. Wayne Abraham is a member of the College of Electors. Case reviewed. Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5... I did not vote for Barack H. Obama, nor did I vote for Sarah, upppp, or the other guy! Yea, the “Tin foil” bitter, republican, conspiracy theorists will continue to make this an issue, yer got me on “case closed” Amazing, aren’t I??? Hummm on back...
...I’m with yer, prism, just posted on #62 to dan...
Do you know WHO Philip J Berg, Esq. is as your first "RWCT"=(???,) who was the first to file suit???
You seems to be a pretty bitter person!!!
I agree. If we ignore the constitution on such a very important aspect of the rule of law than only anarchy remains. Not a pretty picture, and caused by people like this elector.
“Since the United States Supreme Court has not rendered an opinion regarding the validity of the “natural born” status of a U.S. citizen or otherwise defined this term, I am therefore at liberty to make my own determination as a Presidential Elector.”
This elector needs to do some homework before making idiotic statements like this. Here’s one just to help get him started...
Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964): “We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native-born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the ‘natural born’ citizen is eligible to be President.”
A little difference there don’t ya think. Also, the constitution says...”No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;...” Note that the word citizen is in there twice. This dufus is ignoring the fact that the one (natural born citizen) CAN’T be the same as the other.
He’s just trying to rationalize this away in his mind so he can vote for Obama with a clear conscience.
For the EC to cast their votes for 0bama because he’s already won the election is like saying, well, they’ve already broken in to Fort Knox, (or the jewlery store, or your neighbor’s house, etc, etc...). Why go after them now?
This alleged “Elector” is a dope.
I don’t understand why so many like yourself are such negative nellies.
Maybe it will go nowhere, but fighting against overwhelming odds is heroic, and the right thing to do.
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