Posted on 12/06/2008 5:15:13 PM PST by Smokeyblue
I received the following e-mail from one of the electors I have been sending letters to:
December 6, 2008
I have been asked by some concerned citizens as part of my Constitutional responsibility as a member of the College of Electors to review the evidence and make a determination regarding the natural born citizenship of Barack Hussein Obama II, or to join in a lawsuit against him in this matter. They have also forwarded a great deal of information to me which I have now reviewed.
After reading this information it is my opinion that none of it is conclusive in its own right. Most of it is speculation, rumor, or opinion rendered by "experts" or others whose qualifications and motives are suspect. However, given the volume of information put forth, the question of Mr. Obama's natural born citizenship was worth my understanding.
Since the United States Supreme Court has not rendered an opinion regarding the validity of the "natural born" status of a U.S. citizen or otherwise defined this term, I am therefore at liberty to make my own determination as a Presidential Elector. In my opinion a person is a natural born citizen if he or she is granted citizenship either at birth or at the age of majority by the United States government. And has never been required by the United States government to become "naturalized" or take the oath of citizenship. This seems to me to be a straightforward and logical understanding of the term. If you are presumed to be a U.S. citizen at your birth, and no government entity says otherwise, then in fact you are.
If someone emigrates from another country to the United States, and wishes to become a citizen, that person must enter a legal process culminating in taking the oath of citizenship and being "naturalized." This is why for example the current Governor of California cannot claim "natural born" status and become the President of the United States. He was born an Austrian. He emigrated here. He sought citizenship. And he was "naturalized" in a ceremony conducted by United States officials.
And there is also in the United States the use of Common Law as a part of our judicial system. Most of the time the law is codified by us, but in fact there are traditions and understandings which have not always been codified. My point here is that for example if you have a right of way from your property across another person's property to a road, that person after a specified period of time (dependent upon a particular state's statutes) cannot suddenly decide that you cannot cross his property anymore to get to the road. It is presumed after a certain period of time that this right of way is a right that you retain since he did not protest your crossing his property for years.
These are the two bases upon which I have rendered my decision. Even if some or all of the scenarios to which these concerned citizens have pointed regarding Mr. Obama's citizenship are true, two facts remain. The United States government has never required Mr. Obama to take the oath of citizenship, or even to render a decision at the age of majority between having U.S. citizenship and Kenyan citizenship, or U.S. citizenship and Indonesian citizenship. And he has lived here and been reared and educated as a U.S. citizen. It would seem to me that 47 years is a sufficient amount of time to have lived here as a U.S. citizen, with no government entity challenging it, for us and for Mr. Obama to presume that he is a natural born U.S. citizen.
Whether through clerical error, or bureaucratic malfeasance, or simply because it is actually true as was stated on October 31, 2008 by the Director of the Health Department for the State of Hawaii, that he was in fact born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Barack Hussein Obama II has been presumed by the United States government itself to be a natural born citizen of the United States for 47 years.
It issued him a Social Security number and a passport, obviously accepting his Hawaiian birth certificate without requiring a team of forensic scientists to examine it. He has lived in the United States as a U.S. citizen for his entire adult life. He has been not only a de facto U.S. citizen, he has been a de jure U.S. citizen. A citizenship conferred upon him by the United States government at his birth, and never questioned by any court, or executive branch official for 47 years. The United States government itself accepted his natural born citizenship when it issued him a passport without requiring him to take the oath of citizenship in a ceremony like all other immigrants to this country.
Therefore, as the Presidential Elector for the 6th Congressional District of North Carolina it is my Constitutional determination that Barack Hussein Obama II is a natural born citizen of the United States, and is qualified to become the 44th President of the United States of America. I will cast my Electoral College vote accordingly on December 15, 2008.
Sincerely,
Wayne Abraham
I thought it was interesting and am posting it here.
http://www.democratic-disaster.com/
Constitution, what Constitution?
...After reading the post, Wayne Abraham and I are in agreement on this issue. Case closed...
Wonder how Wayne feels about the questions beginning to arise overseas. Pravda has already raised the question about the validity of treaties and agreements signed by Obama.
What happens when some of our soldiers are seized and accused of unlawfully operating under the orders of an illegitimate leader?
Seems to me that Zero needs to get over his arrogance and prove to the USA and the world that he will be legitimate leader. Or is his pride more important than global stability?
Mr. Abraham is one of Obama’s hand-picked electors. He confuses basic citizenship with the more restrictive natural born citizen. The only time not being a natural born citizen matters under the law at all, is in being deemed eligible for the office of President. None of the examples Mr. Abraham cites, outside of the presidency, require natural born citizenship. And so, he concludes that it doesn’t matter there, because it doesn’t matter elsewhere.
“What happens when some of our soldiers are seized and accused of unlawfully operating under the orders of an illegitimate leader?”
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I had not considered that before. Just sent chills up my spine. Thanks for posting that. Dark reality check.
More BU**SH**
Just show us the REAL birth certificate, not a fake and there would be no doubts, would there?
There is a “Sneaky” word in the statement “He has lived in the United States as a U.S. citizen for his entire adult life.”
Sorta refusing to acknowledge BHO had a Childhood.
So, how many years did half and half live outside the USA ?
Nobody wants to talk about it.
Oh my that is a disaster. They can just keep moving the goal post on that issue.
So what this elector has determined is that if you are an illegal alien live here illegally for 20-35 years get a fake BC, aquire a SS#- You can be deemed a “Natural Born Citizen.” You can be President too.
PS. Don’t ever go thru the immigration naturalization process because then you will have established that you are an immigrant.
I’m willing to give him the benefit of a doubt but for the sake of global stability he needs to show the world that he can be trusted. It’s insane that he continues to stonewall.
“Since the United States Supreme Court has not rendered an opinion regarding the validity of the “natural born” status of a U.S. citizen or otherwise defined this term, I am therefore at liberty to make my own determination as a Presidential Elector.”
And therein lies the rub. No SCOTUS decision, then “I am therefore at liberty...”. The SCOTUS must review all evidence and make a decision. Otherwise this line of scary thinking will prevail.
This line of reasoning could as well be adopted by those in opposition to Mr. Obama’s legitamacy (although I don’t recommend it). If the SCOTUS hasn’t ruled then “I” can refuse to acknowledge his presidency because “I” think differently. “I” don’t have to pay taxes levied by the next sitting congress and signed by this new “president” because “I am at liberty” to say he isn’t legitimate, and until the SCOTUS rules otherwise.....
It is a slippery slope. This is a prelude to anarchy. When someone like this “elector” can say “I am at liberty to...” then everyone is as equally at liberty. This is not a workable solution.
“The United States government itself accepted his natural born citizenship when it issued him a passport”
I wonder how Barry got his passport? Some sort of fraud I would imagine. Or perhaps he is still travelling as an Indonesian! LOL
Show us the original birth certificate, Barry.
>Or is his pride more important than global stability?
Of course it is! How dare you even ask! [/sarc]
“I am at liberty to...”
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Maybe he got PAID to.. There’s got to money, gifts, or some kind bribe involved in this somewhere.
Unfortunately, morons like him comprise 52% of the electorate.
Stand by for four years of individual interpretation of the Constitution.
Forget the filibuster. Obama has an impeachment-proof House and Senate.
“it is my Constitutional determination that Barack Hussein Obama II is a natural born citizen of the United States”
I agree. WTF is his “Constitutional determination”? Whatever he wants it to be apparently.
The SCOTUS must review all evidence and make a decision.
I agree. This guy says that because the Supreme Court hasn’t defined “natural born” citizen, then he can make up his own definition. Well then, I can make up my definition, and it does NOT include Obama.
If the Supreme Court does not take up this issue and disqualify Obama, it will be proof that they are part of this conspiracy too and have no right to our respect or obediance.
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