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To: Smokeyblue

...After reading the post, Wayne Abraham and I are in agreement on this issue. Case closed...


4 posted on 12/06/2008 5:24:33 PM PST by gargoyle (..."If this be treason, make the most of it.". Patrick Henry...)
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To: gargoyle

How does this guy know Nobama has a US passport? Has he seen it? Has anybody?


22 posted on 12/06/2008 5:54:42 PM PST by nobama08
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To: gargoyle; Smokeyblue
It's a pretty good answer. On the other hand, in light of all the other speculation, it is, still, on it's own, still speculation, albeit of a slightly different kind.

That's the trouble with this question ~ it's never been put to the test of argument in the courts before, or even in Congress or a state legislature, or even a highschool debate.

Here' let me give you another one. Despite ICE and other government agencies recognizing the birthright citizenship of every baby born here, even if the mother is simply lost on a path in the desert near New Mexico, the law actually views visitors' birthgiving differently.

If you and your family are visiting the United States with an appropriate visa or other other understanding and a baby is born to the family, the head of the household, or the mother, is REQUIRED BY LAW to add that child to the family visa (or obtain a visa for the baby).

Yup, whether or not the kid is a citizen, the parent(s) must add the kid to their visa(s), presumably under penalty of law.

Obviously there's something wrong here since US citizens are simply not required to obtain a visa to stay in the United States, so are these new born babies actually citizens as understood by our laws? Obviously they aren't, so why does ICE say they are?

We could dispose of the problem of citizenship granted to children born to people who were only visitors here (whether with a lawful visa, or as illegal aliens) simply by demanding they add these kids to their visas (or get visas then add the kids to their visas) as is required by law.

I figure that would instantly take citizenship from 30 million people, but so what, the law is the law.

28 posted on 12/06/2008 6:54:32 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: gargoyle
...After reading the post, Wayne Abraham and I are in agreement on this issue. Case closed...

Really, amazing....???

I found this on your own page: "I believe in the Constitution, The Bill of Rights, and The Rule of Law. I live in a Constitutional Republic...", hmmmm!!!

50 posted on 12/06/2008 10:10:27 PM PST by danamco
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To: gargoyle

For all you FReepers wanting Eclair’s eligibility to be confirmed, I love each and every one of you. But I have to accept this logic put forth by the Elector. We must move on.

This outcome ultimately is the fault of the Republican Party, that abandoned Reagan conservatives in favor of big spending liberal pandering. Our party put forth the most unelectable Republican since Bob Dole. A man who spent his time in the Senate destroying his own party, many on our side were insane enough to vote for him.

Even if Eclair gets bumped, a stretch, what would our choices be? McAmnesty? Biden? At least Eclair looks to have the stones to put Pelosi in her place. McCain would’ve kissed her feet.

Life must go on fellow FReepers. The best we can do for ourselves is to hunker down and ride out the oncoming 4 year Obama hurricane.
Spread the word about Palin and Jidahl for 2012. And let’s prep for 2010, which will become 1994 revisited.


52 posted on 12/06/2008 11:12:45 PM PST by prismsinc (AIP works for ME!!!!)
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