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Obama Birth Certificate Facts and Obama Citizenship Facts
Obama Birth Certificate Facts ^ | Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:35 am

Posted on 11/27/2008 5:25:52 PM PST by ckilmer

Obama Birth Certificate Facts and Obama Citizenship Facts

FACT: Obama has NOT provided a certified copy of an original, typed, vault copy, long-form, birth certificate, signed by his mother and delivering doctor with the name of the hospital thereon, to be used to conclusively prove his "natural born" citizenship status per the U.S. Constitution.

Being a "natural born citizen" is required to serve in the office of the Presidency under our U.S. Constitution. Obama has only produced a computer-generated, short-form, registration of birth form called a "Certification of Live Birth", (aka COLB). And some question the genuineness of that proffered document. But note, it does not say "Certificate" it says "Certification". Thus it is not a Birth "Certificate". And this is a key difference in the discussion of what Obama has proffered and what he has not. Only the actual long form original typed version signed by the mother and delivering doctor and/or other witnesses is a Birth "Certificate" under Hawaiian law and to the courts. In Hawaii that document is named "Certificate of Live Birth". Note, the change in the one word, "Certificate" of Live Birth (aka long form Birth Certificate), not "Certification" of Live Birth (aka COLB, the computer generated short form), which is what Obama has proffered thus far. And a short form "COLB" is not a conclusive legal document to prove birth and is not acceptable to most courts for proof of birth facts. A short form "COLB" shows a birth was registered. But not by whom and exactly how. Nor does it provide the facts necessary to trace the facts to independent third party witnesses or facts, such as the name of the hospital or doctor. See videos below for more on that. So, Obama has proved his birth was registered in Hawaii but has not proven conclusively that he was physically born there, nor what exactly is stated or not stated on the long form document filled out in 1961, if one exists. Read the next paragraph as to why.

Registration of live births under the vague laws in Hawaii in 1961 is not proof of birth in Hawaii at all. Read the laws on the books in Hawaii for registration of births in 1961.
This is what the law actually allowed in 1961.

"Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."

See link below for the entire law. A child could be born anywhere in the world and have the birth registered in Hawaii by the mother later upon returning to Hawaii using this law on the books in 1961.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/why_the_barack_obama_birth_cer.html

Read this simple, straight forward, comparative report about what Obama has proffered as evidence of "natural born citizenship" and what he has NOT provided:
http://www.peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/Birth_Certificate.htm

A computer generated form can be easily PhotoShop'd, altered, or forged. Such a simple registration record could be retro-actively filed in Hawaii in 1961 as a post birth event registration for up to one year after birth of a child, with the birth not even having occurred in Hawaii. No one checked these retro-active registrations in HI at that time which were done by simply signing an affidavit that the facts are true. The mother or grandparents could have done this retro-actively upon the mother's return to give the infant child citizenship. This was a possible cover up at the time by the mother and grandmother. The short form data is then being abstracted from a false, delayed registration of birth, filed with false information by the mother with a simple affidavit with no non-family member, independent witnesses. That was permitted under Hawaii law in 1961. A mother could register a child up to one year after the actual birth. But who knew this child would grow up an run for President and that someone would dig into the records to find the truth, as is now being done. Such a case would explain the stalling, delaying, and obfuscating tactics Obama and his lawyers are engaging in. They don't want the true nature of the birth records registered in Hawaii by his mother and maternal grandmother revealed.

FACT: A qualification per the U.S. Constitution for a person to serve as the President of the U.S. is that they must be a "natural born citizen".

A computer generated birth registration form, aka the COLB type document proffered by Obama's campaign, is not sufficient evidence for most court cases, let alone to assume the office of Presidency of the U.S. For more about Obama's birth certificate and citizenship issue, below are links to web pages which explain what a "vault copy" of an original birth certificate is and an example of what one looks like from circa the time frame of interest in Hawaii. Obama has NOT provided such a document and refuses to do so.

http://www.peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/Birth_Certificate.htm

For the time period in question, the originals were generally typed or hand printed, and will have the signature of the mother on it, the name and signature of the delivering doctor, the name of the hospital, as well as other witnesses to the birth, if any. Obama refuses to provide a certified "vault copy" of his original birth registration in Hawaii. This web page explains and provides exhibits and examples what Obama has provided and what he has not, to date. Also and very importantly note that to date, Obama has NOT personally said in public, "I am a natural born citizen of the U.S. per the U.S. Constitution", and produced a certified "vault copy" of the long form, original birth certificate signed by his mother and the doctor and showing the hospital record where he was born. Why has he not done that? Why has he not released his college records from Occidental in CA, Columbia in NY, and Harvard in MA? Why is he hiding behind his lawyers on this?

IMPORTANT BREAKING NEWS, 26 Nov 2008: Third case docketed with the U.S. Supreme Court filed in CT against the Secretary of State:
http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a469.htm

IMPORTANT BREAKING NEWS, 19 Nov 2008: U.S. Supreme Court Justice Thomas rules on Obama Citzenship case filed by Atty. Donofrio of NJ to "stay" the election process, i.e., stop "Electoral College" meetings until such time as the "natural born citizen" status is decided for ALL candidates on the ballot both Obama and McCain. But this is more relevant to Senator Obama since he won the popular vote and is up to be qualified and elected by the Electors when the Electoral College meets. That is the gist of the case brought by Atty. Donofrio. Justice Thomas ruled and accepted the case and distributed copies it to all nine Justices for consideration at a joint conference scheduled for 5 Dec 08 to determine if they will hear the case to define what the term "natural born citizen" means in the Constitution and to require all candidates to prove beyond any doubt to the court that they meet that definition. See these links for details:
U.S. Supreme Court Docket: http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a407.htm
Atty. Leo C. Donofrio's New BlogSpot.com Site: http://thenaturalborncitizen.blogspot.com/
Atty. Leo C. Donofrio's Old TextBlog .org Site: http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/
For news on the first case to reach the U.S. Supreme Court by Atty Berg of PA.
See the below link. Justice Souter is still waiting to rule on this one:
http://www.obamacrimes.com/

IMPORTANT BREAKING NEWS, 25 Nov 2008: Ron Polarik, PhD, document and image expert, states in report and video the Obama's online birth records at the Obama campaign website and FactCheck.org and Snopes.com, etc., are all forged. Note: "Dr. Polarik" is a pseudonym and his identity is obscured in this video to protect his real identity. See video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz58SxMhP4Y

Watch these Youtube videos in numbered order listed for more on what Obama has proffered as evidence and what he has not provided and the concerns of why we need to learn more:

1. 2.
3. 4.

"PC" correct verbiage of recent times is found in the Obama supplied short form COLB. This indicates to several document examiners that Obama's short-form Certification of Live Birth (COLB) document is likely a fraud and/or that the registration was registered much later than 1961. This reminds me of similar problems with Obama's Selective Service System (SSS) draft registration record. It has been found by document examiners to have been likely created in 2008 and back-dated into the SSS data base to make it look like it was done in 1980.

Ron Polarik, PhD, document and image expert, states in his report and video that Obama's online birth records at the Obama campaign website and FactCheck.org and Snopes.com, etc., are all forged. Note: "Dr. Polarik" is a pseudonym and his identity is obscured in this video to protect his real identity. See details and video of Dr. Polarik's work at these links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz58SxMhP4Y
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2136816/posts

Indications of possible more recent registration of Obama's birth in Hawaii:
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2008/08/proof-barack-obama-birth-certificate-is.html

Charges of fraudulent back dated Draft Registration of Obama:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html

And, the birth announcement placed in the local community newspaper is also false and misleading:
http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=249&p=612#p612

Too many questions remain unanswered. Too many allegations of falsified, back dated documents. Not enough primary source, independently verified, conclusive, original, long form, legal evidence of where he was actually born has been provided. Why has Obama never publicly and personally addressed these charges and issues himself? Is he afraid of being later criminally charged personally with false representations and perjury? Is that why he is always hiding behind staff and lawyers when it comes to answering such questions? It reminds me of the Clinton and Monica story and Bill's carefully selected words, parsing of sentences, stalling, and obfuscating. Where there is smoke there likely is fire. Obama could have solved this long already. All he had to do and still could do is state in public, "I am a natural born citizen of the U.S. per the U.S. Constitution" and produce a certified copy of the "vault copy" of the long form, original birth certificate filled out in 1961 showing the mother's signature, the delivering doctor's signature, name of the hospital, and any other witnesses, if any. These facts could then be traced to the original hospital and its records. That would end all this. Why he has not done so, something so simple to do, given he wants the highest office in our government, is the driving reason of our concern. He must produce the original long form birth certificate so its genuineness can be confirmed by document experts and so the traceable facts on it, such as the delivering doctor's name and the named hospital and its records, can be independently verified.

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http://www.freedommarch.org/Volunteer.html#Legal_and_Donofrio and/or http://saveourrights.wikia.com/wiki/Save_Our_Rights
and/or http://www.democratic-disaster.com/

Goat

P.S.
According to people's accounts in Kenya when Obama was first elected to the U.S. Senate, it was common knowledge that Obama was born in Kenya:
Now we have some more breaking news on Obama's Kenyan birth made by the Kenyan Ambassador to the U.S. on 21 Nov 2008:
Obama Born in Kenya Acknowledged by Kenyan Ambassador. Here is a YouTube replay of the radio show call to the Kenyan Ambassador. Listen to it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14
Original show complete show tape at radio station:
http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916

Add the above acknowledgments by the Ambassador to the prior videos and voice recordings of his Kenyan paternal grandmother's own words such as these below. You decide.
What if makes me decide is that I definitely want to see the long form, original birth certificate filed in Hawaii to see what it says and doesn't say. Back needs to pony up and release it.

Last edited by Mountain Goat on Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:32 am, edited 146 times in total.


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1 posted on 11/27/2008 5:25:52 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

bttt


2 posted on 11/27/2008 5:40:35 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: ckilmer

Bookmark & BTTT !!


3 posted on 11/27/2008 5:41:53 PM PST by musicman
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To: ckilmer
P.S. According to people's accounts in Kenya when Obama was first elected to the U.S. Senate, it was common knowledge that Obama was born in Kenya: Now we have some more breaking news on Obama's Kenyan birth made by the Kenyan Ambassador to the U.S. on 21 Nov 2008: Obama Born in Kenya Acknowledged by Kenyan Ambassador. Here is a YouTube replay of the radio show call to the Kenyan Ambassador. Listen to it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14 Original show complete show tape at radio station: http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916

Add the above acknowledgments by the Ambassador to the prior videos and voice recordings of his Kenyan paternal grandmother's own words such as these below. You decide. What if makes me decide is that I definitely want to see the long form, original birth certificate filed in Hawaii to see what it says and doesn't say. Back needs to pony up and release it.

Do any of these Kenyans have proof to back up these claims? Maybe we should be pressing them to hand over any evidence as well.

4 posted on 11/27/2008 5:45:15 PM PST by Kleon
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To: ckilmer

It is obvious that BHO was not born in Hawaii and as this “elephant in the room” continues to effervesce, even the MSM will have to admit this, if only to themselves. The point is that even knowing this, they do not care. Obama knows they have his back on this and he is simply running out the clock to the 20th of January. Once he is “home free” he may even admit to being born in Kenya. The American public will forgive him just like they forgave the Schlickmeister.
This of course means that America’s leadership has been infiltrated and seized by a Kenyan marxist, but who cares, right?


5 posted on 11/27/2008 5:45:39 PM PST by omniscient
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To: Kleon

Do any of these Kenyans have proof to back up these claims? Maybe we should be pressing them to hand over any evidence as well.
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The Kenyan government has barred access to Obama’s birth records there.

There is no need for them to produce anything. They could all be lying.

The only documents we need are Obama’s original long form birth certificate.

Its further conjectured that the reason that Obama has not released his harvard or columbia records is that they will show him to be a kenyan moslem national or an indonesian moslem national.


6 posted on 11/27/2008 5:51:59 PM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: ckilmer
"Obama has NOT provided a certified copy of an original, typed, vault copy, long-form, birth certificate, signed by his mother and delivering doctor with the name of the hospital thereon, to be used to conclusively prove his "natural born" citizenship status per the U.S. Constitution.

Does the Constitution specify that a candidate will provide "a certified copy of an original, typed, vault copy, long-form, birth certificate, signed by his mother and delivering doctor with the name of the hospital thereon"?

I didn't think so.

7 posted on 11/27/2008 5:53:35 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of The Free Because of The Brave)
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To: ckilmer

This post is a terrific collection of the Obama non-citizenship issue. Good post!

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244


8 posted on 11/27/2008 5:54:21 PM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: Kleon

Do any of these Kenyans have proof to back up these claims? Maybe we should be pressing them to hand over any evidence as well.
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The big question everyone is asking is why has Obama spent 800,000 to stonewall the release of a $10 document. Something that every government employee needs to produce to get a security clearance.


9 posted on 11/27/2008 5:54:50 PM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

They are suggesting that the birth info displayed online is a falsified document.

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244


10 posted on 11/27/2008 5:56:37 PM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: ckilmer

Hmmmmmmm
I always suspected Cankles

Clinton lurked here [:^)


11 posted on 11/27/2008 5:57:45 PM PST by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Does the Constitution specify that a candidate will provide "a certified copy of an original, typed, vault copy, long-form, birth certificate, signed by his mother and delivering doctor with the name of the hospital thereon"?

No, but it does state that you are required to be a Natural Born citizen, so "a certified copy of an original, typed, vault copy, long-form, birth certificate, signed by his mother and delivering doctor with the name of the hospital thereon" would prove that. Unless you have another solution

12 posted on 11/27/2008 6:02:38 PM PST by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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To: ckilmer

what month did Ann move to hawaii. She had to be there a year before his birth to register in Hawaii. Or maybe it is a year at the time of registration.


13 posted on 11/27/2008 6:05:14 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: ckilmer

Kenyans cannot be President of the United States of America BUMP!!!!

Thanks for posting the article!


14 posted on 11/27/2008 6:17:47 PM PST by TheConservativeParty ("Those guys are jerks!" Saracuda)
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To: TheConservativeParty

We need to know what term was used as race for African Americans, Black, Colored, Negro, etc back in 1961 in Hawaii. This may be the nail in the coffin on the forged birth certificate.

If he used his sister’s birth certificate in the forgery, as some people claim..he wouldnt know the term used because she isn’t of that race...


15 posted on 11/27/2008 6:25:13 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: BenLurkin

Boom Chaka Laka!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJc6uczdhE0


16 posted on 11/27/2008 6:27:18 PM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: ckilmer

Great post!

“The Kenyan government has barred access to Obama’s birth records there.”

Do you have a link for that? If the records pertain to O Jr., this stand alone fact seems to be persuasive evidence. Not sure there is any evidence his mother ever returned to Kenya after his birth and even so would not have had reason to file any Hawaiian BC.
Further, the Kenyans realizing now what is at state would be anxious to display any BC that provided for a legitmate Hawaiian birth.

STAND UP AMERICA! The presidential election is not over!
We voted for electors, not the individual candidates. The electors vote on or after December 15, 2009. The results are then presented to a joint session of Congress and objections may be heard on January 8, 2009 pursuant to the 20th amendment and Public Law 110-430. See the letter on my About page hand-delivered to the local offices of my Republican Senators and Representatives. I urge you to take similar action, even if it is simply faxing a one page letter to Washington, D.C.


17 posted on 11/27/2008 6:35:27 PM PST by frog in a pot (Is there a definition of "domestic enemies" as used in federal oaths, or is that just lip service?)
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To: frog in a pot

What I don’t get is that no one is making more out of these words:

“the Kenyans government has barred access to Obama’s birth records there.”

Question — If he wasn’t born there, why do they have any records to protect?


18 posted on 11/27/2008 6:53:44 PM PST by Free America52
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To: ckilmer

The argument I got today, I had to terminate it before blows were struck, was that if a passport sufficed for George Bush, a passport should suffice for Obama; demanding further proof from Obama and not having demanded more from G. Bush would be racist.

I argued that using that logic, if Arnold S. was elected and submitted a passport then he too would qualify. The rebuttal was, yes indeed; what’s good for the goose is good for the gander in effect.

Very likely the left will use similar arguments if the issue receives more prominence in the MSM.


19 posted on 11/27/2008 6:59:45 PM PST by boxer21
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To: ckilmer; LucyT

Very good compilation of all the facts and answers alot of the typical questions.

It’s just so ironic that all of the loopholes apply to Obama.


20 posted on 11/27/2008 6:59:56 PM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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