Another View Of The Meaning Of Natural Born: Obama Fails The Requirement

Advance Indiana ^ | November 26, 2008

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P.A. Madison examines over at the Federalist Blog the question of what the phrase "natural-born citizen" means under Article 2, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, a requirement a person must satisfy in order to serve as president of the United States. His conclusion is not going to be comforting to the former University of Chicago Senior Lecturer on constitutional law. Madison concludes:

Therefore, we can say with confidence that a natural-born citizen of the United States means those persons born whose father the United States already has an established jurisdiction over, i.e., born to father’s who are themselves citizens of the United States. A person who had been born under a double allegiance cannot be said to be a natural-born citizen of the United States because such status is not recognized (only in fiction of law). A child born to an American mother and alien father could be said to be a citizen of the United States by some affirmative act of law but never entitled to be a natural-born citizen because through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father.

There you have it. Barack Obama, Sr. was undeniably a Kenyan citizen. The fact that the President-elect's mother was a U.S. citizen makes him a U.S. citizen by virtue of law enacted by Congress; however, Obama could only inherit natural-born status from his father. A person born under a double allegiance, as Obama himself acknowledges he was until he reached the age of 21, cannot be a natural-born citizen.

Everyone agrees that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger can never be president because he became a U.S. citizen through naturalization, an affirmative act of law. Similarly, because Obama was not born the son of a U.S. citizen, he cannot be our president according to Madison's analysis. The U.S. Supreme Court must act and enforce our Constitution. I don't care what the result of the November election was. We are a nation of laws, not of men. If the rule of law is not enforced, then our Constitution will cease to have the respect and primacy it is entitled to have under our constitutional form of governance. Perhaps our Supreme Court will interpret the "natural-born citizen" requirement differently than P.A. Madison and others. Nonetheless, it is a question that must be answered. It's just too important to ignore. Obama can keep hiding his original birth certificate from us as long as he wants. Under this interpretation, it is irrelevant because his father was a Kenyan.

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[ozark hilljilly]

Sounds about right.
Everyone lately has been making a to-do about where he was born, when really the question has been to whom has he been born to!
Both folks citizens of the U.S.?
Uhhh, no.

[Lilpug15]

Ping-a-Ling!

[justiceseeker93]

Interesting opinion by P. A. Madison, but what are his credentials as a constitutional expert?

[cynwoody]

First there was Madison. Then there was the Fourteenth Amendment.

[RasterMaster]

Osama Obama’s mother was such a whore, who could ever determine who the daddy is without digging up several corpses?

[Freedom56v2]

well put

[truthfreedom]

This is an interesting take. There’s a phrase of note
“of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty”

http://www.theamericanresistance.com/issues/anchor_babies_unconstitutionality.html

Our answer may be found in part in this phrase. I may post more links about this phrase, I’m googling it.

[Lmo56]

Comments?

This is EXACTLY what Donofrio asserts ...

[2ndDivisionVet]

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[Golden Gate]

We need an FR working Group & an all out campaign before Dec 15 = Electors meeting...

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[truthfreedom]

http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html

This is the article that the original author cited.

[truthfreedom]

http://books.google.com/books?id=uQUTAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA814&lpg=PA814&dq=%22Richard+Greisser%22&source=bl&ots=zIRCFQpmi-&sig=O6dkeYUwUWnUSeZUAdC2nxR7jEc&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA815,M1

The Richard Greisser case. Richard Greisser’s dad was a German Citizen. The Sec of State wrote:

“Richard Greisser was no doubt born in the United States, but he was on his birth “subject to a foreign power” and “not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.” He was not, therefore, under the statute and the Constitution a citizen of the United States by birth...”

[Seeing More Clearly Now]

Maybe that theory that has legs in the Muslim world that Malcolm X (aka, Malcolm Little, aka Hajj Malik) was really Obama’s father is going to sound better and better to the president elect.

[danamco]

http://www.viddler.com/explore/ATLAHWorldwide/videos/75/7.33/

[truthfreedom]

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=169&invol=649

US v. Wong Kim Ark

This does not help our argument.

[pepsionice]

Actually...if you pull up the various dates given out...Stanley Ann (the mother) was very likely pregnant in late July/early August...and thus gave birth at the end of April or early May 1961...not the birth month of August 1961. And then in this case...everyone would have to admit that the poor Kenyan dude in Hawaii...never met the girl until she was at least three or four months pregnant. The old history written in the Obama book...and the necessity of hiding the birth certificate (not the country of birth, but the date of birth is what mattered). The story would quickly unravel and then you’d understand a very clear picture.

Remember in the middle of his various comments...he said that Stanley Ann had been accepted and planned on going to a Chicago university in fall of 1960...which was the entire plan from the start. Then the family quickly plans up this move to Hawaii....getting her there six weeks into the semester there...and she basically halts her schooling at the end of the first semester (Dec 1960), even though she would be only two months pregnant if the Obama story held water. It doesn’t....she was already five months pregnant at that point if you start questioning the entire scenario.

The Kenyan guy? Simply a lucky guy taking college classes in Hawaii....and Stanley Ann needed some guy to be the legitimate father of the baby. The was likely naive enough to fall into this entire story...only by luck.

And consider this....Stanley Ann appears back in Seattle by the third week of August with the new baby...yet she only gave birth around ten days prior to that. She has a husband and family sitting in Hawaii...yet doesn’t go back...she stays in Seattle and takes classes for three semesters there. Another part of the puzzle that no one really questions as being kinda “funny”.

Frankly....the Obama story has various holes with the dates and actions of the players. Its not the country of birth that matters....its the dates of everything that people kept bragging about. Obama was never born in August....he likely was born four months prior to that...which makes this all a pretty bogus story.

[Seeing More Clearly Now]

Maybe Obama Senior went along for the ride thinking or being promised that he’d eventually get American citizenship by hooking up with the young woman with child.

[Vaduz]

U.S. Constitution now void.

[Doug TX]

This sounds like the basis for Leo’s case already at the SCOTUS. Similar or exact argument he’s using against obama, McCain, and the socialist candidate.