SCOTUS SOUTER TELLS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE DECEMBER 1 (Unconfirmed, see thread research)

Atlas Shrugs ^

[mnehring]

This is interesting. Souter tells Obama to produce the vault copy by December 1, 2008. I believe the messiah will defy the Justices.

Who will force the issue? Who wants to open up that pandora's box?  Imagine if there is something on that birth certificate that  disqualifies Obama from the office of the President.  What are you going to do? Start a civil war? There will be blood in the streets you try to enforce the rule of law. This should have happened before the election. Obambi knows it too.

Here is the fraud report first reported at Atlas.

The Supreme Court and Obama's Birth Certificate organicpeas

If The Supreme Court Decides…?

At this point, Supreme Court Justice David Souter's Clerk informed Philip J. Berg, the lawyer who brought the case against Obama, that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied, but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.

If Obama fails to do that, it is sure to inspire the skepticism of the Justices, who are unaccustomed to being defied. They will have to decide what to do about a president-elect who refuses to prove his natural-born citizenship.

"I can see a unanimous Court (en banc) decertifying the election if Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate," says Raymond S. Kraft, an attorney and writer. "They cannot do otherwise without abandoning all credibility as guardians of the Constitution. Even the most liberal justices, however loathe they may to do this, still consider themselves guardians of the Constitution. The Court is very jealous of its power - even over presidents, even over presidents-elect."

Also remember that on December 13, the Electoral College meets to casts its votes. If it has been determined that Mr. Obama is an illegal alien and therefore ineligible to become President of the United States, the Electors will be duty-bound to honor the Constitution.

[ctdonath2]

If there is something amiss, there will be riots.

Um ... ok. Either abide by the rules, or have them enforced the hard way.

[kabar]

What if both parents were U.S. citizens and Obama's father listed on the birth certificate is not Mr.Obama from Kenya?

Then Obama is a natural born citizen under jus sanguinis.

[mnehring]

There is more also.. I don’t have it close by, but basically, a law right before he was born stated that the parent isn’t considered a citizen (for purposes of this) if she hasn’t lived in the US for at least 4 years after her 16th birthday, being that she was 17, if he was born in Kenya, as his grandmother implied, even her citizenship wouldn’t cover him. IF true..

[txhurl]

So, Souter will insist that Lingle unseal the vault-form certificate?

[hoosiermama]

You betcha!
OTOH I would be VERY angry.
The left needs to know and be emotionally prepared, their leader has used them.
My only concern is that the American people will be blindsided thus creating a larger reaction than necessary.

[mnehring]

Correction, found the details..
http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html
**For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.**

[DJ MacWoW]

They are complete free agents

They are not. In 24 states the electors have to vote for who the state elected. The electors cannot vote outside of what the state tells them.

President Elect. org

By 1796, the first contested presidential election, parties expected their electors to vote as instructed. Today, electors chosen by the parties are usually extremely loyal members who would never consider not voting for their man.

State Laws and Requirements

Legal Requirements or Pledges Electors in these States are bound by State Law or by pledges to cast their vote for a specific candidate:

ALABAMA
ALASKA
CALIFORNIA
COLORADO
CONNECTICUT
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
FLORIDA
HAWAII
MAINE
MARYLAND
MASSACHUSETTS
MICHIGAN
MISSISSIPPI
MONTANA
NEBRASKA
NEVADA
NEW MEXICO
NORTH CAROLINA
OHIO
OKLAHOMA
OREGON
SOUTH CAROLINA
VERMONT
* VIRGINIA - 13 Electoral Votes State Law - § 24.1-162 (Virginia statute may be advisory - "Shall be expected" to vote for nominees.)
WASHINGTON
WISCONSIN
WYOMING

[mnehring]

How many of those did Zero win and how many electors does that add up to?

[Calpernia]

No problem. But the docs at that link (which I’ve not downloaded to read) may indicate what Obama has to respond to.

[Jessica2677]

Obama says his mom was married to his father. What if they were married in Kenya? The she would be a Kenyan citizen.

[STARWISE]

What does this mean regarding the response?

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Oct 30 2008 Petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment filed. (Response due December 1, 2008)

From the SCOTUS site:

http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm

[ctdonath2]

Souter will insist that _Obama_ show proof of eligibility (to wit: original birth certificate). Getting it unsealed is Obama’s problem.

[deport]

According to Amendment XX Sec 3, “if the President elect shall fail to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified”.

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I think that technically Obama isn’t the President elect until the Electoral College does its thing which happens on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December or in this year it will be on Dec. 15. Until that time I’m not sure the procedure other than the DNC picking replacement for him that would appear on the EC ballot as their nominee.

[sneakers]

Hi Velveeta:

Here’s a link to the Quinn & Rose Podcast site.

http://www.wpgb.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=quinn.xml

Quinn played it on the 6th, then again this morning. If you click on “listen” on the third hour - 11-06-08 - near the end he plays the clip.

[mnehring]

Basically, it is a request for the court to hear the case.

[kabar]

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

Obama was born in 1961 and his mother was 18.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Popcorn...

[DJ MacWoW]

I don’t know. I found out yesterday about faithless electors. Just found the list of states with elector laws tonight.

[Paved Paradise]

You don’t think there will be riots? I am old enough to remember the riots here in Cleveland as well as in Chicago. And this was chump change compared to this hot button issue.

[Right in Wisconsin]

responding to a writ of certiori just means BO will file a brief with the court arguing the reasons the court should not take the case - does not require him to produce his COLB