Posted on 10/11/2008 1:40:00 PM PDT by SatinDoll
*BREAKING* Obama Born in Kenya? (New Information) October 11, 2008 by texasdarlin
Coast Provincial General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya Judah Benjamin’s analysis follows the Foreword.
Foreword: Those who have followed this blog know that our working assumption has been that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. We have asserted that Obama’s legal name and citizenship changed when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, and that the birth certificate published on Obama’s campaign website does not reflect current records. You can read the previous articles referenced at the end of this post to catch up on our analysis.
We now wonder if our assumption about Obama’s birth place was wrong.
I have received information that certified copies of a Kenyan Birth Certificate (BC) for Obama were sent from Kenya, and have been received by three separate individuals. I am told that these documents are certified, with an embossed seal, and display the name of the hospital where Obama was born, as well as witness signatures.
Reportedly this BC reflects information filed Oct. 9 by Philip Berg. See item #18 on this docket, page 10, the relevant language of which, underlined in red, is captured here in a screen shot:
It reads:
…Obama was born at Coast Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya located in Coast Province…
We do not currently have any additional confirmation of this new information. If it is an accurate tip, the implications are disastrous for Senator Obama and his backers. For that analysis, we proceed to Judah Benjamin…
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Barack Hussein Obama II By Judah Benjamin, Guest Author
It has been asserted by a number of sources, including Andy Martin, that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in Hawaii. Philip Berg’s Latest Motion to the Court is more explicit since it gives an exact Place of Birth. I must assume that Berg did not simply pluck the Location out of thin air, Mombasa has more than one Hospital, though Coast Provincial General was the best in 1961.
British Birth Certificates have a Standard Format which has been more or less the same since 1837 and they can only be challenged in a British Court. Kenyan Law is explicit and can only be challenged in a Kenyan Court. Indonesian Law is explicit and can only be challenged in an Indonesian Court. Be clear, if Obama was born in Kenya this is not simply a matter for the US Courts, or US Law.
If he was born in Kenya, and his parents were Legally Married [which on the Preponderance of Evidence they were, his father's first "Marriage" being a Tribal, or Village, Marriage, which was not Legally Recognized] due to the age of his mother he would NOT have been a US Citizen. The Immigration and Nationality Act 1952, 8 U.S.C. 1401. Sec. 301 (g) [Effective November 14, 1986] does not apply, nor does Title III, Immigration and Nationality Act Section 309. [8 U.S.C. 1409].
Unless he has taken the Oath of Allegiance as a Naturalized Citizen since he was 18 years old, and if he was born in Mombasa, Kenya, Barack Hussein Obama II would not be a US Citizen, period. The issue of whether or not he was Natural Born under Article II of the Constitution of the United States would cease to matter and he would need to be Deported as an Illegal Alien.
Impeachment as a Senator would seem not to be necessary since he would never Legally have been one, but Diane Feinstein and the members of the Senate Ethics and Rules Committee would be liable to Impeachment. So would their opposite numbers in the Illinois Senate and the appropriate officials of the Illinois State Supreme Court and Bar, so far as I can see.
If Senator Barack Hussein Obama II was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7.24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, he is not a Natural Born Citizen of these United States and he never was. Philip J Berg, Esq, is correct, under the Nationality Act of 1940, as Revised June 1952 and in accord with United States of America vs Cervantes-Nava 281 F 3d 501 (2002) and Drozd vs INS, 155 F 3d 81, 85-88 (2d Circuit 1998) Senator Barack Hussein Obama II would not ever have been a Legal US Citizen at all, unless he was Naturalized.
If he was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya any Certificate, or Certification of Live Birth, issued for him by the State of Hawaii is a Fraudulent and Illegal Document. At Birth he would have been a UK and Colonies Citizen and in accord with the Kenyan Constitution he would have become a Kenyan Citizen in December 1963. He would not have been a US Citizen.
Alternatively, his UK and Colonies Birth Certificate issued in Mombasa in August 1961 could be a Fraudulent and Illegal Document. The two BCs would need to be compared. By this I mean the Original Vault Copy of the Hawaiian Birth Certificate and not the Amended, Post Adoption, Copy, Legally available to the Senator, assuming he was, as indicated by the Preponderance of Evidence, Adopted by Lolo Soetoro. This case might also need to go through the UK and Kenyan Courts and becomes a Matter of International Law and Controversy.
If Barack Hussein Obama II was born at The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, it is certain that he is not Eligible to hold the Offices of POTUS or VPOTUS and highly probable that he is not Legally entitled to hold the Office of Senator either and that he was not Eligible to be an Illinois State Senator.
In that event the Senate Ethics and Rules Committee, Chair Diane Feinstein, have a problem because they are responsible for the Certification of a Candidate’s Compliance with Constitutional Requirements, a job they would have conspicuously failed to do. Should he be Elected the poisoned Chalice would pass to Nancy Pelosi because as Speaker of the House she, and the House, have the Responsibility to ensure that the President Elect can Effectively be Sworn In and Legally Assume the Office and Duties of the President.
Be very clear here, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born at The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, Diane Feinstein’s Committee have already failed in their Duty, as has every Secretary of State in the Union.
Let me repeat myself, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, he is not a Natural Born Citizen of these United States and he never was, he is not even a Citizen by Birth. I had assumed ab initio that Obama was born in Hawaii and that his Hawaiian Paperwork was basically “on the up and up”, I could not conceive that a lie of this magnitude was possible, I thought that the INS would have caught on long since. If he is a US Citizen under these circumstances his Oath of Allegiance must be on Record somewhere. If it isn’t he is not a US Citizen.
Hawaii may Legally be able to Issue a Birth Certificate under these circumstances, according to their own Code, but it would breach of International and Federal Law if they have. It would breach Hawaiian Law if the Place of Birth is spurious.
“[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.”
So by that section he could get a certificate claiming Hawaiian birth even if he was physically born outside the US but the Place of Birth would need to be correctly recorded.
Understand, the Hawaiian Authorities may be able to Issue a Hawaiian Birth Certificate under these circumstances but they cannot make you a US Citizen. A child born in Kenya to and underage US Female and a UK and Colonies Citizen in 1961 was not born a US Citizen under any US Federal Law, under British Law, or International Law. The only way such an Individual could be a US Citizen in terms of the XIVth Amendment, or any Statute, or Code of US Federal Law is by Naturalization.
Under Common Law no Person can Testify as to their own Place of Birth, this is established Law upheld by stare decisis. Therefore it would be possible, even given the he was born in Kenya, for Obama to claim that he believed a Hawaiian Birth Certificate made him a US Citizen under the XIVth Amendment and that therefore he was acting in Good Faith running for an Office which he was Constitutionally Incapable of Holding. Unfortunately for him, his actions in regard to the Admission of his UK & Colonies and Kenyan Citizenships and his Indonesian Citizenship by Adoption, his frequent apparent Breaches of the Logan Act, his probable breaches of the Hobbs Act, the Hatch Act, USC Title 18 Part One Chapter 63 § 1346 and the RICO Statute make this Defense wholly Untenable, especially when one considers the fact that he holds a JD from Harvard Law. One may throw in the Misprision Statute for good measure. It is difficult to find any action or statement of Obama’s since 1992 that could be used to suggest Good Faith could be used as a Defense in this Case. I am not saying that Obama is Guilty of any of these Felonies or High Misdemeanors, only that his actions and pronouncements are such as to lead to a reasonable suspicion that he may be.
Under INA §349 “2. taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof after having attained the age of eighteen years.” This is an “Expatriating Clause”, if you hold Dual Citizenship and do this you void your US Citizenship. Well Obama campaigned actively for Odinga in Kenya and apparently also took some kind of Luo Tribal Loyalty Oath. He may also have joined Odinga’s party. Of course his Dual Nationality lapsed in 1982 but INA §349 could, perhaps, still apply here, if he was born in Mombasa. It might even be concluded that Obama was providing grounds to restore his Kenyan Citizenship by Prime Ministerial Decree, which is Legal under the Kenyan Constitution. That would certainly look Expatriating to me, but I do not know how a Court would react.
There is indirect reason to believe that this may be true. “2d Session S. RES. 511: Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.: In the Senate of the United States.” was Sponsored by Senator McCaskill and co-sponsored by Senators Leahy, Obama, Coburn, Clinton and Webb. Why? Why were Democratic Senators trying to pass a Resolution making Senator McCain undoubtedly Legally Eligible when this issue had already been cleared up in 2000 and again in 2004? And why did Senators McCaskill and Obama reportedly insert the following Clause?
“Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;”
This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain and the following Clause, which it is reported McCaskill and Obama attempted to REMOVE shows that:
“; and Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936:”
It seems clear that McCaskill and Obama were attempting to create a blanket Resolution covering ALL Foreign Born candidates. Why do that if not to benefit a Foreign Born Democratic Candidate, who did not have a US Military background?
McCain did not need this resolution, Richardson did not need this Resolution, so far as I can see nobody needed this Resolution unless somebody in the race was born outside the USA and was “Covering his/her Ass” and the only individual in the race that that could apply to was Senator Obama! This in turn would show that the Senator is a liar who has been peddling untruths about his birth for at least 16 years!
Likewise it would explain why Michelle Obama tried trawling the “very single mother” canard. Were he illegitimate there is precedent and Statute that says if his parents were unmarried at the time of his birth he would have become a Citizen of the USA at Birth under Title III of the Immigration and Nationality Act Section 309. [8 U.S.C. 1409]. However, as Miller v Albright, 523 US 420 (1998) demonstrates there is, and was, a split in the Supreme Court as to whether this Law is in fact Constitutional under the XIVth Amendment. A new case might change the precedent. For now it stands.
I do not insist that any of this is true and to me it makes little difference if it is, I hold him Ineligible anyway and have seen no solid Legal Rebuttal of my view from any source, but if he was born in Kenya he has, and can have, no defense of any description and any Document he has from Hawaii is Fraudulent on several levels. To hold the Office of POTUS one must be a Natural Born United States Citizen, if he was born in Mombasa Obama probably isn’t even a United States Citizen much less Natural Born. He would be guilty of Fraud and a list of other offenses and any and all persons who had aided him would be guilty of Misprision, in all probability.
Thanks for the update. All I had seen indicated they spent NO time with her. Good to know they spent a whopping 25 minutes with her after a 19 month absence!
And a fruit basket! Nothing says ‘We REALLY care about you’ like a fruit basket!
Think of the hundreds of hours my family and I could have saved if we had only thought about fruit baskets. Heck, if we had brought a fruit CAKE, maybe we could have skipped seeing her entirely...
Oh well. I’m sure you are as impressed by Barack ‘Family Man’ Obama as I am. From watching him, it seems he only acknowledges family with black skin - and not then if they need money or time!
The argument would be that Barack Obama lied about where he was born.
This is too important for the mods to have to pull it because of changing the text. The copyright info is on the blog page.
But, but, but didn’t you know? “Black is beautiful” (sarcasm intended) Why wasn’t he there for her when she had the corneal transplant? Why did his family get together at Christmas last year and watch a videotape of grandma? Why does his sister take grandma outside every evening to see the sunset? Are they afraid she might say more about Obama Sr., like when she told David Mendell, “He was straaaaaaaaaaaange” with an emphasis on the ‘a’? She also said she didn’t trust foreigners.
Obomba’s cousin Odinga LOST the election by over 230,000 votes. They incited riots and mayhem. Odinga stole the election. Barack Obama was emailing w/Odinga while people were being burned alive and machetied. Obama also campaigned for Odinga in Kenya while he was a Senator (he did little in congress but took the time to campaign for Odinga, a killer and a thug.
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Great! When can we see them?
btw....why do so many of the sentences start with "If"?
“. . .how can you let the election proceed with the possibility that one of the candidates is not qualified?”
I was bringing this up (about the process and the Constitution) because someone had said it would probably be necessary to postpone the election if the D candidate, Obama, had been declared unqualified. My point is that the election could continue, but the electors would know that votes by electors for Obama would not be counted. They could just vote for anyone they please when they meet in December. Granted, it would be confusing to voters on Nov. 4, with Obama’s name on the ballots. (I would recommend voting for McCain/Palin and avoiding all problems!)
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Proof? (is larry sinclair one of the guys holding the Kenyan BC?)
I posted a factual statement about the law (BTW, the date of residence for mom starts at 14)
And so
**Current State Department policy reads:**
"Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment.
A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."
However, the State Department is of the opinion that this does not affect those who are born abroad to U.S. citizens and who otherwise meet the qualifications for statutory citizenship
and further
Cases in other courts relating specifically to the "natural born citizen" clause --
Two United States District Courts have ruled that private citizens do not have standing to challenge the eligibility of candidates to appear on a presidential election ballot.
Robinson v. Bowen, 567 F. Supp. 2d 1144 (N.D. Cal. 2008);(and) Hollander v. McCain, 2008WL2853250 (D.N.H. 2008).
In dicta in each of these cases, it was also opined that if the plaintiffs did have standing, the likelihood of success on the merits (which is part of the legal test for the issuance of a preliminary injunction) would be low.
The opinion in one of the cases also cited to a statutory method by which the eligibility of the President-elect to take office may be challenged in Congress.
Please point me to case law that negates these cites, if you would.
Please, use facts or confirmed data and avoid name calling - it demeans FR and makes the name caller look...well, less intelligent than they might otherwise, in fact, be - intelligent, that is..
They don’t like Odinga or Odinga’s Cousin is my guess.
It would only take a person one hour to make a withdrawal and pay a granny hush money. Typical white Granny is probably set for life now.
I am not endowed with psi power nor do I play one on TeeVee.
It seems he'll fork over fed dollars to traitors but he's real stingy with presents.
Thanks for the shout out...
The Obama campaign (or Obama for that matter) has to file in each State in order to run for POTUS.
I find it difficult that in all 50 of the 50 US States they were able to use flawed and/or illegal documents - and none of the hundreds of election pouges missed that part of it......
But, that’s just me - I am not going to vote for Zero in any case....
There is provision in the Constitution nor the statute books to suspend a federal election. (As you may know, we have held presidential elections during both the Civil War and WWII.)
Why doesn't Obama's lawyer give up the birth certificate to the Berg complaint and be over and done with?
The most likely reason is that he does not have a bona fide birth certificate from any American jurisdiction precisely because he was born in Kenya. Berg is well aware of this.
There is no provision in the Constitution nor the statute books to suspend a federal election. (As you may know, we have held presidential elections during both the Civil War and WWII.)
Why doesn't Obama's lawyer give up the birth certificate to the Berg complaint and be over and done with?
The most likely reason is that he does not have a bona fide birth certificate from any American jurisdiction precisely because he was born in Kenya. Berg is well aware of this.
He most likely has a “Consular Report of Birth “ to go with whatever the Navy hospital issued his folks.....
had a cousin born in Panama, my Uncle was in the Army at the time. THey talk of what a pretty place the Zone was for most of the year.
Sorry for the typo in #176; correction in #177.
They probably have citizenship Jus sanguinis (of blood) or Jus Soli (of soil) of those countries laws. Europe in general has strong Jus Sanguinis laws and Canada has strong Jus Soli laws, so that’s why your friends probably have dual citizenship. I know for sure that you can never lose your Irish citizenship.
However, The U.S. government does not have any strong Jus Sanguinis or even Jus Soli (Of soil) laws. If you become a naturalized citizen of any other nation, you automatically lose your American citizenship.
When Obama was adopted, he became a naturalized citizen of Indonesia. When you’re a naturalized citizen of another country, you automatically give up your U.S. citizenship. Therefore, he’s not a citizen of the United States of America, and that’s why probably, like I was hinting in my other thread, he committed perjury when he was applying for his bar exam. He didn’t want anybody to know that he used to be Barry Soetoro of Indonesia. If he did, he would have been deported from the United States of America.
Therefore, Barack Hussein Obama II, is not eligible for the office of the presidency of the United States of America.
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