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Separation of Church + State Myth: Founding Fathers' True View On Religion's Role In Government
RFFM.org ^ | Sept. 6, 2008 | Daniel + Julia Zanoza

Posted on 09/06/2008 3:17:18 PM PDT by Daniel T. Zanoza

"If I could have entertained the slightest apprehension that the Constitution framed by the convention, where I had the honor to preside, might possibly endanger the religious rights of any ecclesiastical society, I would never have placed my signature to it."

-- George Washington --

There is an ever-growing debate in America over the relationship between government and religion. In recent times, Constitutional law, or at least the modern-day interpretation thereof, has moved from one of accommodation concerning religion to a position many call hostile to the expression of personal faith in the public square. From their writings, it's clear the Founding Fathers had strong views on the subject. And though not politically correct, they were prolific in writing about God and nation. After all, 27 out of the 57 men who signed the Declaration of Independence and U. S. Constitution had the modern day equivalent of seminary degrees (extensive studies of Greek, Hebrew and Biblical text). They did not intend for America to be a theocracy, but they certainly believed the nation's laws should be tied to natural laws God created. John Adams, America's second President said, "It is religion and morality, alone, which can ...

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TOPICS: Government; History; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: blogpimp; churchandstate; foundingfathers; georgewashington; thomasjefferson; usconstitution

1 posted on 09/06/2008 3:17:18 PM PDT by Daniel T. Zanoza
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To: Daniel T. Zanoza

Very first law extant in America:
http://www.vagenweb.org/hening/vol01-05.htm

THAT there shall be in every plantation, where the people use to meete for the worship of God, a house or roome sequestred for that purpose, and not to be for any temporal use whatsoever, and a place empaled in, sequestered only to the buryal of the dead.


2 posted on 09/06/2008 3:26:42 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: Daniel T. Zanoza
They did not intend for America to be a theocracy, but they certainly believed the nation's laws should be tied to natural laws God created.

And certainly not laws made up by Joe Smith, latecomer & wannabe.

3 posted on 09/06/2008 3:26:57 PM PDT by humblegunner (I'm voting for McCain because he's white.)
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To: Daniel T. Zanoza

On the other hand, I’m not sure they anticipated a conspiracy of conquest masquerading as a religion (Islam).


4 posted on 09/06/2008 3:34:11 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: Daniel T. Zanoza
Here is the way I see it:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Only Congress has the power to establish a religion and they are restricted from doing so. God in the Pledge of Allegiance does not establish a religion. A prayer in school does not establish a religion, and a manger scene on public property does not establish a religion. People saying the Lord Jesus Christ's name does not establish a religion. Congress passing a law that says we all have to go to the Glory Bound Baptist Church every Sunday establishes a religion.

Now, Congress is also forbidden from prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Hence, the law of the land says you can not tell me that I can not put a manger scene or the Ten Commandments up. You can not tell me I can not pray. You can not tell me I can not say the Lord's name.

Socialist/Communist wish to remove God from public view so you and I will begin to forget about God. Why do they want you to forget about God? Well, I am an American. I pray to my God and we handle my problems. I do not pray to my Government. Once people have forgotten how to pray to their God for help, they will begin to pray to the Government for help. From the cradle to the grave.

It is imperative that we keep God in public view.

5 posted on 09/06/2008 3:49:56 PM PDT by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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this is the kind of source of info we all need handy for the upcoming battles.....


6 posted on 09/06/2008 3:50:52 PM PDT by raygunfan
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To: All

and may I add:

You have been endowed by your creator with inalienable rights. No Government or man has the right to take away what God has given you. If we allow God to be removed from public view, we will forget about God and we become more dependent upon our Government. As an American, I pray to my God and we solve my problems. If we forget how to pray to God, we will pray to the Government from the cradle to the grave.


7 posted on 09/06/2008 3:52:38 PM PDT by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: humblegunner
And certainly not laws made up by Joe Smith, latecomer & wannabe.

Many of the founding fathers had no use for Christianity (or any other organized religion), Thomas Paine, and Jefferson are examples of the most outspoken of them.
8 posted on 09/06/2008 4:57:50 PM PDT by WackySam (The Constitution is not an a la carte menu.)
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