The Plot Thickens: Obama's Birth Certificate and HRS Section 338-18

Mitchell Langbert's Blog ^ | July 12, 2008 | Dr. Mitchell Langbert

[Raquel]

I have previously requested a copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate. Janice Okubo, Public Information Office of the Communications office of the State of Hawaii, responding on July 3, has chosen to refuse to provide a copy of the birth certificate. This blog consists of three parts. First, I quote Ms. Okubo's letter, dated July 3, 2008, verbatim. Her letter responds to my inquiry under the Freedom of Information Act. Although Ms. Okubo points out that the Freedom of Information applies to the federal government and not the states, most states, including Hawaii, have similar statutes. With respect to birth certificates, though, there is a separate section of the Hawaii Revised Statutes (HRS) that Ms. Okubo cites, HRS § 338-18. The link that Ms. Okubo provides in her hard copy snail mail letter respecting § 338-18 was dead when I tried to use it, but I obtained a copy of HRS § 338-18 from the Lexis-Nexis data base available from New York University's Bobst library. In addition, I obtained information on Hawaii's Uniform Information Practices Act from the State of Hawaii Website. In the second part of this blog, I respond to Ms. Okubo by drafting two letters, one a response to Chiyome Fukino, Director of Health, Ms. Okubo's superior, with a copy to Ms. Okubo and Governor Linda Lingle (R-HI), and also a letter to Barack Obama requesting that he send me a letter authorizing me to represent him in obtaining a copy of his birth certificate in the interest of avoiding accusations of political gamesmanship and manipulation. In the third section I copy the relevant sections from § 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes for your reference. I also quote from the State of Hawaii Website about its "Uniform Information Law" booklet.

[Raquel]

Dr. Langbert is the real deal. We should follow this closely!

[DocRock]

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[Uncle Chip]

Very Interesting and Bookmarked

[FocusNexus]

Applaud his efforts and tenacity.

But without Obama signing an authorization, nobody can get his BC.

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.html

“If you are applying for a certificate on behalf of someone else, you must provide an original letter signed by that person authorizing the release of their certificate to you. “

The real question is, why doesn’t Obama authorize some responsible journalists to get his BC directly from the Hawaii government, that way we would know for sure, it’s the real deal.

[FocusNexus]

Ping — since you’ve been following this closely.

[MindBender26]

More useless pursuit of a dead subject:

He is “natural born citizen” under two provisions of Title 8, US Code. “Natural born” citizenship can be gained in many ways other than being born here. He qualifies under two provisions of the Code. If reading, start with sec 1401 and go from there. I’m an attorney. Trust me on this one.

Secondly, no one is really requesting a “birth certificate.” What they are really asking for is an extract of Birth Records, and that takes many forms. I now have three of my own, all issued at different times by New York State. One is a 1948 typed one. One is issued in 1965 with a raised seal, and is completely different. The third was issued in 1998, and is completely different again.

Finally, birth records are often considered health records and therefore exempt from disclosure.

This is BS. Hillary and a dozen other opponents would have checked this years ago.

This is idiocy that keeps us from the real issues.

[patriot08]

I don’t agree. This is important. Why did they provide a fake? Why not just hand it over if there’s nothing to hide?
We can pursue this as well as the other issues.

[Conspiracy Guy]

ifparagraphsareunimportanttryleavingoutuppercaselettersspacesandpunctuationtooitsnotforeveryonebutilikeithaveaniceday

[wildbill]

“If you are applying for a certificate on behalf of someone else, you must provide an original letter signed by that person authorizing the release of their certificate to you. “

Sounds to me like the standard and proper way to do this is to forge an authorization letter. :-)

[ckilmer]

Here’s another blogger giving a thumbs down with pics to obama’s birth certificate. The guy says he is a board certified forensic computer investigator. He says his background includes a lot of work His work shows a lot detail.

Here is a google search of the obama birth certificate

In her remarks on MSNBC Michelle Obama says of Barak. "His own mother, she said at the beginning of her remarks, was "very young and very single when she had him." "

Its reasonable to conclude that the Obama campaign would be hesitant to release his birth certificate because it would show that he was born illegitamate. Since there is a significant percent of the US population that is illegitimate -- you would think that barak would be comfortable releasing his birth certificate. but maybe not.

Jesse Jackson's remarks about wanting to cut off baraks nuts came because of baraks speech that exhorted fathers to take part in their children's lives--especially black fathers.

That speech may have come because of speculation on the internet about baraks birth certificate--which would show that his mom was single when she gave birth.

[Fresh Wind]

According to Michelle, Obama’s mom WAS single when he was born.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2043991/posts

[pepsionice]

Normally, I’d agree...this isn’t really a 4-star issue. Its puzzling that rather than answer it or simply declare the birth certificate out and in the open....we are left to question more intensely.

I suspect that if enough digging is done...we find that he is born in Vancouver...NOT Hawaii, and he is still a US citizen by reason of the mother being such. I suspect this is something that the family never talked about and really seemed to “hide” in some fashion. I don’t think mom or dad was happy with their daughter coming up with her first real boyfriend...and the guy is some dude from Africa...and the daughter is preg. Most of us would act the same way if this had been our daughter.

The only scenario I could see emerging where citizenship would be very questionable....is where we find that mom had issues....never delivered....and adopted this child in Canada.

The more one reads of Stanley Ann Durham...the more of a image of a very naive and misguided young lady who simply kept walking from one mess into another. As much as she put into various notions of a socialist world at hand...the 3rd world visit to Indonesia and the lack of any worldly impact by herself and her perceived agenda...probably left her with a negative view of everything accomplished.

[MindBender26]

Your comment is exceptionally well thought out and well developed.

I’ll repeat it here with a few additions, if I may:

“The more one reads of Stanley Ann Durham...the more of a image of a very naive and misguided young lady who simply kept walking from one mess into another. As much as she put into various notions of a socialist world at hand...the 3rd world visit to Indonesia and the lack of any worldly impact by herself and her perceived agenda...probably left her (AND HER SON) with a negative view of everything (AMERICA) accomplished.

Be well.

[Raquel]

“This is idiocy that keeps us from the real issues.”

I still find it odd that Obama is so hush-hush about his birth records. I think it's an honest request by those of us considering whether to vote for him. Obama could put any debate to rest just be authorizing the release of birth records.

Wasn't it President Bush's military/health records that placed him at odds with Dan Rather and CBS news? (Not that I'm trying to follow his/their lead.)

I do not agree that “other issues” are being put aside in favor of this one as you assert. It's still an issue worth investigating. It's o.k. to put the pressure on Obama to release records, let's see if he has the courage to do so.

John Kerry refused to release his private/health records, and that decision didn't serve him well.

[kennedy]

The real question is, why doesn’t Obama authorize some responsible journalists to get his BC directly from the Hawaii government, that way we would know for sure, it’s the real deal.

Two possibilities:

1. There is something in Obama's birth certificate that he does not want released, e.g., his birth religion was Muslim, his birth name was Barry, his parents were not married, etc.

Note, a "birth certificate" contains much more information than a "certificate of live birth." Obama has not released either. There was a jpg image of a "certificate of live birth" posted on Kos, but it is widely believed to be photoshopped.

2. Obama wants to keep the issue alive to distract from more serious issues. If this is the case, as soon as some other, provable scandal starts to hit the MSM, Obama will suddenly release a real copy of his certificate of live birth and use it as a straw-man to discredit whatever else is in the news.

"Oh for goodness sake, here is my certificate of live birth. All of these ridiculous claims being made against me are a right wing attempt to take attention away from hope and change. By the way, did I mention that I'm black?"

[DMZFrank]

Of course we know that Obamanation is a crypto-Marxist pretending to be a left of center moderate and to the extent that he can, will do all in his power to destroy traditional concepts of freedom and liberty. We need to continue to expose the dangerous threat that his candidacy represents.

But to give up on REQUIRING him to prove that he is an Art II Sec. 1 “natural born citizen” is to give up on the constitution. There are only 2 constitutional requirements for president and we should insist that he abide by both of them. This is not a subsidiary matter. It is of vital importance to a constitutional republic. As of this moment I believe that he is, but that fradulent birth certificate does NOT prove it. Were he to win (God forbid!!) and it is proven that he is not constitutionally “natural born”, the resultant fallout could trigger a civil war. Let’s get that out of the way now, and most of us will simply drop this and move on to other things.

[kennedy]

In another distraction meant to keep American voters away from the real issues, Fox News channel announced today that the GOP is in possession of a birth certificate proving beyond doubt that Barack Obama's real birthplace is, in fact, planet Lappa IV, located in the Alpha Quadrant and inhabited by a splinter group of the Ferengi species, who have developed a highly collectivist culture based on the principles of socialist acquisition and redistribution of wealth.

According to conservative commentators, the Democrat presidential hopeful's home planet is governed by the Central Planning Committee made primarily of the State Board of Expropriators and Liquidators, who offer prayers and sacrificial offerings to a Blessed Taxperson in hopes of entering the Divine Pork Barrel upon death, and fear an afterlife spent in a Subsidized Housing For the Common Good they legislated and financed with public money.

This explains Barack Obama campaign's earlier secrecy over his birth site, especially if we consider the outdated constitutional requirement that presidents must be "natural-born" U.S. citizens.

Looking back, one can only wonder at the mainstream media's unblinking acceptance of Obama as a 100% Earthling, despite even such obvious clues as his big earlobes, a supernatural fundraising ability, and his campaign logo that resembles the emblem of the Ferengi Alliance.

Other early warning signs included Obama's ties to such known Ferengis as Rezko and Khalidi, his clearly alien speech patterns and intonation, as well as his extraterrestrial campaign slogans referencing some mysterious "hope and change" and "yes we can," which is the official motto of the State Board of Expropriators and Liquidators in Obama's homeworld. But perhaps the biggest giveaway was a glaring lack of understanding of human customs and values by both Barack Obama and his Klingon wife Michelle.

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[savedbygrace]

I’m an attorney. Trust me on this one.

Hahahahahahaha. That's a good one.

[riverdawg]

Sec 1401 has been discussed and dissected on numerous occasions in FR, with attorneys and (other?) knowledgeable people contributing to the debate. IF Obama was born in Hawaii, as he has claimed, and his parents were not in the diplomatic service of another country at the time of his birth then he is a “natural-born” U.S. citizen. If he wasn't born in Hawaii - and that is what some people are suggesting - then his status is somewhat more complicated and requires additional information to clear up.

My suspicion is that there is information on his “original” birth certificate that is either embarrassing to Obama or contradicts his much-ballyhooed “life story”.

[ncfool]

There must be a big cover-up or Barack H. Obama would release his birth certificate. Maybe the name name was not Barack but Barry Dunham and for years he tried to be somebody he wasn't.

Why did the Obama SS act like Nazi's and denied this person their freedom of speech by censoring his web site. If threats and intimidation is the Obama way of action then this guy is no more quaified for President then Hitler was for the nobel prize.

what happened to http://www.birthcertificatenow.com/