Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
>>>vital records are much simpler and in Hawaii’s case appear to have been digitized long ago.
I think they are still new to the digitalization. Hawaii mistakeningly forwarded a database of marijuana users to the local paper back in June.
Which is why I doubt they have all their archives transferred to digital format. That is usually done last, once the current patient files are up and running.
In light of the foregoing, your account of them leaving Hawaii to face the wrath of Senior’s father in Africa makes no sense.
Ummmmm, wrong. Besides blacks being incapable of racism (does that really need a < /sarc> tag?) it is in direct conflict with what his Kenyan relatives say:
"The marriage later broke up after Anna's father opposed it, according to Mama Sarah.
"Anna's father was furious about the marriage and threatened to have Obama Snr expelled from the university. Our son sent us letters, pleading that we intervene to save the marriage," remembers Sarah."
Source here
If link doesn't work cut and paste http://allafrica.com/stories/200408160533.html?page=2
Like the music, but what does it have to do with anything?
Gateway Pundit has picked up on the Rocky Mountain News tidbit about Kenyan citizenship. He also links to a report from 2007 which says this:
ANNOUNCEMENT OF BLOCKBUSTER CHICAGO NEWS CONFERENCE DISCLOSING THAT UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN CITIZEN:
(CHICAGO)(February 8, 2007) Chicago-based Internet journalist, broadcaster and critic Andy Martin will hold a news conference Friday, February 9th at 11:00 A.M. to announce that U. S. Senator Barack Obama is a citizen of Kenya and became a citizen of Kenya under the Independence Constitution of Kenya in 1963. Obama has never renounced his Kenyan citizenship. He is also a U. S. Citizen.
http://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=731
There’s more to this a GP.
This is from that guy Andy Martin and is dated right back to the time Obama announced his candidancy. He indicates that there is more to the story that will be revealed. Did he ever do this? I checked his site ContrarianCommentary.com and there are no archives for Feb. 2007. At the link I’ve provided there is his email address. Should we contact him and ask him questions about this? Also could this be the source of the Rocky article?
“I doubt they have all their archives transferred to digital format.”
I’m not claiming every field in every birth certificate has been digitized, but their process for generating COLBs clearly is drawing from a digitized database, as opposed to having a clerk pull an original, signed certificate from a file, and either photocopy or transcribe the info in order to fill requests for COLBs etc., which I assume was the approach used decades ago. So if anyone searches for a particular name, certificate number and/or especially if they print a copy, “the system” I would think would have some means of keeping track of this.
Still is here. The certified copy of mine I got last month (or was it the month before?) is a photocopy/print of the microfilm more-or-less centered on the modern high security paper form.
According to the Rocky Mountain News, Obama holds both American and Kenyan (since 1963) citizenship.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/06/things-you-might-not-know-about-barack-obama/
OK, who are we to believe? Obama himself or his step-grandmother? Maybe both dads were furious for different reasons. Or maybe each side of the story has painted in the most favorable light.
Regardless of whether both, neither, or only one of the accounts is true, notice that Sarah alludes to LETTERS from Senior pleading for help. She in no way says Senior fled with his new wife to Africa to seek refuge from the wrath of Ann’s father about the marriage.
Thus, I view this account as indirect confirmatory evidence that Senior must have been in Hawaii—not Africa—during the period Feb. through July 1961. Once Ann’s pregnancy became obvious (it’s not clear when either set of parents were made aware of this), any concerns about marriage presumably were displaced by much more immediate and practical concerns.
Kenya does not recognize dual citizenship. Plus, by the Kenyan constitution, his Kenyan citizenship would be valid only if he's renounced his US citizenship...which nobody, to my knowledge, is claiming he has done.
And the reason they say “since 1963” is that is the year of Kenyan independence, whereby his father’s Kenyan birth could convey Kenyan citizenship upon him (see the Kenyan constitution). It doesn’t mean he was born there.
SIDEBAR: our possible future with an Obama Marxist-Islamist presidency.
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2008/08/britains-new-name-islamistan.html
Waitin’ for Hitlery to drop ‘da bomb...
ALMOST Bingo.
It indicates he wasn't in Kenya, but it doesn't demonstrate he was in Hawaii, either
It's interesting that this article dates back to when Obama was running for senator.
Since foreign birth does not impact one's ability to be a senator, there was no compelling reason to lie about his being born locally.
ASSUMING the allafrica.com archives haven't been altered, this is very strong evidence that we can put the out-of-Africa theory to rest.
Still doesn't rule out Canadian birth (Birth in Kenya or Canada would mean he would be a British subject, like his father). A Canadian birth would cover why the first reported itty-bitty baby Barak sighting was in Mercer Island, WA, and how that could be so soon after his birth that Susan Blake felt compelled to show Stanley Ann how to change a diaper.
Still, if there isn't a fatal flaw in his background, why take the legal and political risks of publishing such a poor copy of his BC?
Thanks for the ping!
Irrelevant.
In the first place, we are operating under US laws and the US constitution.
In the second place, we don’t know that Barak was born in Kenya (or anywhere else for that matter!)
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Follow the thread back...you’ve been here long enough to know how. ;-)
But if you don’t care to do so, your post is redundant, since it simply confirms the point of my post. I was pointing out that the claim of dual citizenship was not possible, and that even Kenyan citizenship doesn’t necessarily indicate a Kenyan birth.
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