Posted on 04/20/2008 6:09:13 PM PDT by Soliton
Ben Stein was just on Fox News with Geraldo. He was asked If ID versus Evolution was a "left, right thing". He responded,"No, It's an atheist versus a non-believer thing". Stein inadvertantly admitted that ID is a religious argument, not science!
Hmmm ... a new comer ... .
DU might be a better playground for you ... .
“How does the Hebrew confirm ID?”
Get familiar with Hebrew, or ask these so called Jewish friends.
“And what happened to ID being non-religious?”
Nothing has changed. Do you understand what the word SCIENCE means? Science is not about “religion”. You shouldn't confuse the two. Most evolutionists INTENTIALLY try to fuse the two together as you are trying. They are not the same. Science, YES SCIENCE, get the difference, validates :intelligent Design”. Whether one takes the Bible to heart or not, doesn't matter! The evidence of INTELLIGENT DESIGN is there whether you believe in God or not. Evolutionists, claim NO BELIEF in God and reduce me to tears of laughter as they try to explain how LIFE “evolved” from nothing.
Go ahead, believe what you like. Confuse “religion” with “science” and be a good evolutionist. Honestly it only shows how stupid evolutionists are and how easily threatened they are.
It's a good movie. We throughly enjoyed it. It's all true.
I have noticed that a certain subset of the ID proponents on this site appear to be practicing the exact same tactics that Mr. Steins movie says ‘Big Science’ use on those that support ID.
I will ask you a question that I have yet to have answered. That question is - what is the evidence for ID?
Okay, tell us about the museum that has the skeletons of the partially evolved organisms of any species now on earth. They must be plenty and they would have been all over the place.
Now we are not talking about a taller or shorter human, I mean a species currently on the earth that has a fossil record of significant change within the species. Now not a new species, meaning no significant DNA differences.
Not one? Okay find me the one new species that exists that there is no fossil record of say, 5000 years ago.
Hmmm. I guess case closed.
Just sing them this you big dope!
You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim, da do da do...
I have been told by users who have been members of this site for longer than you that it is proper etiquette to include another uses name in the To: field when you reference them.
Perhaps it was a simple oversite.
In science nothing outside of science has any validity. That doesn’t mean that religion doesn’t have validity on its own.
The don’t let me sing around them. It appear that the entire world, save myself, is tone deaf and can not understand the intricate complexities of my vocal talents.
Perhaps it was a simple oversite.
Guess it wasn't an “over sight” now was it?
YOU noticed it as I knew YOU would.
When it comes to “etiquette” you have far more to learn than I.
May I ask what I have done to offend you so?
“Tactics”? Big words for someone like you ... .
For one not having seen the movie, I suggest YOU see it!
“I will ask you a question that I have yet to have answered. That question is - what is the evidence for ID?”
Go see the movie.
I'm sure you are capable, or at least I hope you are capable of doing some of you own research.
I can only hope that you now see a difference between what “religion” is and what “science” is. To believe in “Intelligent Design” is fully supported by SCIENCE. That alone would be a big leap for you.
LOL mine too
“May I ask what I have done to offend you so?”
You may.
I direct you back to your replies to me.
I have included what I believe to be a complete unedited record of my replies to you in this thread. Please let me know which ones are offensive so I can try to avoid offending your sensibilities in the future.
Reply 1
“That is really going to be a shock to my Jewish and Christian friends who just happen to be evolutionary biologists.
How do I break the news to them that they are really atheists? Please expedite your response so I can let them know as soon as they get back from their various worship services.”
Reply 2
“How does the Hebrew confirm ID?
And what happened to ID being non-religious?”
Reply 3
“I have noticed that a certain subset of the ID proponents on this site appear to be practicing the exact same tactics that Mr. Steins movie says ‘Big Science’ use on those that support ID.
I will ask you a question that I have yet to have answered. That question is - what is the evidence for ID?”
Reply 4
“I have been told by users who have been members of this site for longer than you that it is proper etiquette to include another uses name in the To: field when you reference them.
Perhaps it was a simple oversite.”
Reply 5
“May I ask what I have done to offend you so?”
I make no claims as to any contribution to the question of evolution. My take on the film—it was terrific and exposed the extravagant effort of academia to shut down honest debate. An American inquisition.
The relationahip Stein discovered about pre Nazi Germany and Darwinism was not new—I guess to Ben it was.
A good flick—and I thought it really humiliated that Dawkins character as a doped shoe peddler of really questionable honesty. Maybe it was just me.
I have to say I don’t know what the heck you’re getting at. When you say “now on the earth” do you mean alive, or physically ON the earth. “Now not a new species”?
I can provide a fossil record of an intermediate form between two species. I can offer an example of speciation in progress within a species and genetic evidence of one species breaking off into another. Which do you want?
Are you for or against the tactics of some of the ID supporters on this site to get those they disagree with removed simply because they do not support ID?
It wasn't an excerpt. He said it at the end of an interview on Fox
I'm not for firing anyone. What ARE you?
As for me, I'll go with God's book after all, He was there at the beginning. And I admit that it is my religious convictions and absolute believe in the word of God that leads me to that conclusison. Why is it that evolutionist can not be as honest, for there is no science in evolution, just one changing theroy after an other, one misguide belief after another.
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