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Give em back. Texas Raid Based on a LIE??? (Blog Post includes video news clip)
The Natural Family BLOG ^ | April 18th, 2008 | Jenny Hatch

Posted on 04/18/2008 11:39:55 AM PDT by Jenny Hatch

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To: ansel12
With what you are defending, I don’t think that you should want to start speculation on our respective recreational activities.

I'm game.

Considering that all I'm defending is the Constitutional rights of American citizens and you are defending another government agency that's gone off half-cocked.

61 posted on 04/18/2008 1:28:28 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: ansel12

Good post.


62 posted on 04/18/2008 1:29:46 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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To: Knitebane

Did you see the women from the compound interviewed on tv? If the kids are like the women something is very wrong and they need help.


63 posted on 04/18/2008 1:30:46 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Knitebane

“I’ll ask again. Is there any evidence that anyone there abused children other than the hoax phone call?”


We are 15 days into this and you are demanding that I post the evidence that is only now being collected and investigated, the state has not even identified the people yet.

Since these people were each handpicked for this compound by Warren Jeffs because they were the most fiercely loyal and unlikely to betray the cult, and since many of the children were shipped in from other branches and Canada with no identification or records, or parents, the process will take some time.

It is a nest of snakes that will take some unravelling, but at least the children are safe for now.


64 posted on 04/18/2008 1:32:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (FLDS supporters, at least pretend to be repulsed by the child rape that has been proved.)
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To: dalebert
Did you see the women from the compound interviewed on tv? If the kids are like the women something is very wrong and they need help.

I saw them. I think they need help too.

But I'd rather it not be at the point of a gun during a raid based on false evidence.

Unless you'd like to see a bunch of Pentecostals treated the same way because their women dress in dresses and sneakers.

If the way that someone appears is sufficient reason to take their children then we have abandoned the Constitution and live at the whim of whoever decides what fashion is.

66 posted on 04/18/2008 1:35:58 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Certainly the religious aspect of it is perhaps what troubles me most—the very idea of giving your little girl to some drooling old man for a sex slave in the name of this or any other religion just turns my stomach. And the fact that they’re raised solely for that purpose...well, it just makes my blood boil.


68 posted on 04/18/2008 1:39:17 PM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: ansel12
We are 15 days into this and you are demanding that I post the evidence that is only now being collected and investigated, the state has not even identified the people yet.

Yes there is that. Of course in a civilized country one presumes that after four years of investigation that the state would have already identified the people.

Since these people were each handpicked for this compound by Warren Jeffs because they were the most fiercely loyal and unlikely to betray the cult, and since many of the children were shipped in from other branches and Canada with no identification or records, or parents, the process will take some time.

Warren Jeffs is in jail. He wasn't at the Texas FLDS compound. I'm not sure why you keep fixating on someone that wasn't there. But it does explain why you are so eager to crucify these folks based on a prank call from someone that wasn't there either.

t is a nest of snakes that will take some unravelling, but at least the children are safe for now.

Safe from whom?

69 posted on 04/18/2008 1:39:26 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane

Which of the fLDS Constitutional Rights have been violated, when, and exactly how?

Can you be more specific, instead of attacking others?


70 posted on 04/18/2008 1:39:44 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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You know.... People who take their religion to extremes are dangerous people.

People who hate religious people are dangerous too.


71 posted on 04/18/2008 1:39:55 PM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: Knitebane
This call was a hoax but there sure is some thing that was going on there.

Maybe so, maybe no.

Considering that the sheriff had an informant on the inside for four years and DID NOTHING, but waited until this phone call was announced to the media makes me wonder.

On the Dr Phil tape it seems some of the law officers were members of this group!

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Also if the young men also said they hung dry wall or other need work done at the age of ten it seem this group knew how to do what they needed among themselves. meaning men so they really did not need contractors from the outside world to come in an do things for them!

At least they would have a record of the contractor that gave the girl the cell phone to call the for help.

Another thing is cells phones are not easy to use for those not familar I am computer savy but still have a hard time figuring out those cell phones.

Also in our US State department is inflitraded with those who work there that are opposed to US policies, I imagine their are polygamist working in position in the outside world that alert and protect their opperation.

72 posted on 04/18/2008 1:40:54 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Knitebane
Warren Jeffs is in jail. He wasn't at the Texas FLDS compound. I'm not sure why you keep fixating on someone that wasn't there. But it does explain why you are so eager to crucify these folks based on a prank call from someone that wasn't there either.

What does it mean that Jeff's photo was in every room? If you know why, please tell us.

73 posted on 04/18/2008 1:41:05 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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To: MizSterious
Certainly the religious aspect of it is perhaps what troubles me most—the very idea of giving your little girl to some drooling old man for a sex slave in the name of this or any other religion just turns my stomach. And the fact that they’re raised solely for that purpose...well, it just makes my blood boil.

Certainly the denial of the rights of Americans is perhaps what troubles me most-the very idea of giving your little girl to some foster home based on a prank phone call in the name of this or any other government just turns my stomach. And the fact that so many FReepers will just roll over and show their bellies to police while people's rights are violated with no evidence...well, it just makes my blood boil.

75 posted on 04/18/2008 1:43:20 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: ansel12

Hang in there. I have never seen so many individuals so willing to defend a bunch of perverts and child molesters.

All I can say is this forum is not the same as when I joined.


78 posted on 04/18/2008 1:46:23 PM PDT by sport
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To: P-Marlowe
So your answer is to take them from a foster home where there is a slim chance that they might be molested and put them back into the cult compound where there is a 100% chance that they will be molested?

I wish your analogy was true. However, if you look at the complete picture, in Washington State only 35% of foster children graduate high school and for those that do not, being homeless, unemployed and having a tough adult life are a near certainty.

Maybe that is still better than what they left, but I certainly do not feel good about their future prospects in the hands of the state. I would feel better if, like the old days, these children would be in the hands of a church or other such organization that actually cares about children.
79 posted on 04/18/2008 1:47:07 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Rick.Donaldson
Don't read it, if you don't like it. Go back and read the worm's comments. I didn't come here to get into a fight, I made some comments, and NONE of those comments were in defense of child rapists. So, go and read the whole thread before you jump into the middle of a fight. Ansel took my comments out of context and made an incorrect assumption and then a lying accusation. Yes, I have every RIGHT to be pissed.

I read it all. You're the one who's lost control and gotten emotional over posted facts.

80 posted on 04/18/2008 1:47:30 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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