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Is Chavez Looking to Start a War?
All American Blogger ^ | February 3, 2008 | Duane Lester

Posted on 03/04/2008 6:50:37 AM PST by DogWings

It is the nature of socialist countries to try to expand and attack their neighbors. North Vietnam took South Vietnam. China took Tibet. The Soviet Union took everything it could. So it makes me wonder if Chavez isn’t looking for a reason to invade Columbia. He certainly has been building up his military for some reason, and now has taken to open threats against his neighbors.

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1 posted on 03/04/2008 6:50:38 AM PST by DogWings
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To: DogWings

An equally interesting question might be:

Is the porky one, being egged into one?


2 posted on 03/04/2008 6:52:12 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: DogWings

Yes he is.


3 posted on 03/04/2008 6:57:16 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am the watchman on the tower sounding the alarm.)
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To: DogWings
I'm reminded of the Bill Clinton quote, to the affect that: "To be considered a great president, you have to have led the country in time of war. Unfortunately, the US didn't have a real war while I was president."

Of course, Clinton could have taken on the terrorists, if he'd wanted to -- but he either didn't have the wit or the stones to make that move.

Perhaps Chavez is making a play to be considered a great dictator.

4 posted on 03/04/2008 7:00:33 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: DogWings

we need to hire a hit man to go down and take him out. Not out to dinner either.


5 posted on 03/04/2008 7:02:33 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: DogWings

A war? Only in a rhetorical sense. He lost at the ballot box on his last “reform” vote fiasco. He’s just another leftist guerrilla in a sea of leaderless coca users.


6 posted on 03/04/2008 7:04:22 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: DogWings

It is the nature of dictators to start wars to try to make the people temporarily forget how miserable they are.


7 posted on 03/04/2008 7:06:32 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: bmwcyle

Not with us.

But he’s definitely trying to “destabilize” others in that region. He stands to gain from it.


8 posted on 03/04/2008 7:11:49 AM PST by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: Red6

Exactly. He wants everything except a war. Hopefully someone will kick his ass soon. I know it wont be us, we don’t have the spine to punish dictators after Iraq.


9 posted on 03/04/2008 7:14:07 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: DogWings
Venezuela has a population of 28 million and a 12,000 strong regular army with substandard equipment, substandard training and an officer corps that was purged of its most talented men a few years back due to housecleaning after a coup attempt.

Colombia has a population of 45 million, an 80,000 strong well-equipped military that has been well-trained by an officer corps that has participated in joint exercises with the US military.

10 posted on 03/04/2008 7:16:06 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: DogWings
Is Chavez Looking to Start a War?

Of course he is....like every other dictator, he needs a distraction from the failures of his governance.
11 posted on 03/04/2008 7:16:20 AM PST by rottndog (2008 Marches on...)
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To: Red6

We are helping to weed out the leftist coke dealers. We are indirectly involved already.


12 posted on 03/04/2008 7:17:48 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am the watchman on the tower sounding the alarm.)
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To: Republic of Texas
I know it wont be us, we don’t have the spine to punish dictators after Iraq.

Dang, but you're a whiny little fella. Really, seriously, 2nd-grade type whiny.

13 posted on 03/04/2008 7:20:34 AM PST by r9etb
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To: bmwcyle

Yes, indirectly we’re involved.


14 posted on 03/04/2008 7:56:15 AM PST by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: wideawake
You forgot to mention that the Colombian Army actually has combat experience. But I’m sure being under the brilliant command of Mariscal Hugo Chavez El Magnifico that won’t enter into the equation.
15 posted on 03/04/2008 8:32:39 AM PST by Cheburashka (Liberalism: a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I think you are right. He was smacked down with his president for life ploy. He sees his control fading and needs something to cause the people to band together in support of him. Before it is over, he will destroy Venezuela and the countries around him.


16 posted on 03/04/2008 4:49:00 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Republic of Texas; r9etb

GW Bush I berlieve would at the very least, remove him from Columbia...


17 posted on 03/04/2008 5:06:11 PM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: DogWings
What is wrong with this site? Something as important as this gets only 15 replies, while a current thread for American Idol gets over 7,000!!

From National Public Radio (NPR):

"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been visiting countries such as China, Iran and Russia as part of an effort to build a 'strategic alliance' of interests not beholden to the United States. He considers the United States his arch enemy.":
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5729764

From the Russian News and Information Agency:

"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060727/51913498.html

From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:

"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html

Putin warns Kosovo will 'come back to knock' the West, as NATO envoy lashes out

"Moscow might be forced to use "brute military force" to maintain respect on the world scene."

The Associated Press
Published: February 22, 2008

MOSCOW: President Vladimir Putin on Friday issued a sharp warning to the West about the consequences of recognizing Kosovo's independence, saying the decision would "come back to knock them on the head."

The comments, made during an informal meeting of leaders from ex-Soviet republics, were the strongest by the Russian leader since Sunday when Kosovo made its declaration of independence from Serbia.

They followed statements made earlier Friday by Russia's envoy to NATO, who warned the alliance against overstepping its mandate in Kosovo and said Moscow might be forced to use "brute military force" to maintain respect on the world scene.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/22/europe/EU-GEN-Russia-Kosovo.php

Putin will be long-serving, powerful premier

By Michael Stott Thu Feb 14, 2008

President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday he intended to become a powerful and long-serving prime minister after leaving the Kremlin but rejected suggestions he would dictate orders to his likely successor.

Putin, giving his last annual news conference before his second term ends in May, said he fully trusted the Kremlin's candidate for president, First Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, and would have no problems working with him.

Medvedev enjoys blanket coverage on state-controlled media and is widely expected to win a big poll victory next month.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080214/wl_nm/russia_putin_dc_6

Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the [former] Soviet Union:

the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'

"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
http://www.hooverdigest.org/053/beichman.html

From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:

"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html

Russia and China prepare for war against the United States
June 4, 2005:

"Growing ties between Moscow and Beijing in the past 18 months is an important geopolitical event that has gone practically unnoticed. China's premier, Wen Jiabao, visited Russia in September 2004. In October 2004, President Vladimir Putin visited China. During the October meeting, both China and Russia declared that Sino-Russian relations had reached "unparalleled heights". In addition to settling long-standing border issues, Moscow and Beijing agreed to hold joint military exercises in 2005. This marks the first large-scale military exercises between Russia and China since 1958.

The joint military exercises complement a rapidly growing arms trade between Moscow and Beijing. China is Russia's largest buyer of military equipment." :
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/GF04Ad07.html

Russia, China in first joint war games
Reuters, Aug, 2005:

"Relations between China and Russia, formerly the Soviet Union, were strained by decades of mistrust during the Cold War, but the two nuclear powers have found much common ground in recent years and the military relationship has been blossoming, Reuters points out. Both are leading members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which in July called for U.S.-led troops to fix a date to pull out of bases in Central Asia. Russia is also a major supplier of weapons to China." :
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/601479

Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games

Reuters: Aug 17, 2007

CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.

"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.

Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.

The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.

Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29030120070817?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

U.S. Navy Intercepts Russian Bombers Flying Near Ships

Monday, February 11, 2008

WASHINGTON (Associated Press) U.S. fighter planes intercepted two Russian bombers flying unusually close to an American aircraft carrier in the western Pacific during the weekend, The Associated Press has learned.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330362,00.html

18 posted on 03/04/2008 5:19:44 PM PST by Eye On The Left
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To: DogWings

Conquest is how absolutist regimes survive. They typically cannot produce enough to maintain themselves and must survive on loot from conquered lands. The Soviet Empire lived off of Eastern European gold for 45 years then collapsed when its conquests of third world countries cost it more than it could steal. Cuba has survived as a near corpse because it has not conquered anybody. Its foreign adventures have been stymied or were as mercenaries for the Soviets.


19 posted on 03/04/2008 6:06:45 PM PST by arthurus
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To: Dutch Boy

Well, Venezuela, anyway. Colombia can probably hold its own pretty well.


20 posted on 03/04/2008 6:09:24 PM PST by arthurus
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