Posted on 02/09/2008 8:59:59 AM PST by davidosborne
JUST SAY NO --- Plan for a Conservative victory in 2012....
JUST SAY NO : To John McCain ^
JUST SAY NO - To John McCain PART II (How the left will destroy John McCain..... MUST READ)
JUST SAY NO : To a third PARTY.. (Republican Party is NOT dead -- YET)
Okay folks here we are.. we all know that the conservative majority in America has suffered a tremendous blow in the 2008 Presidential race.. but the conservative base is STILL in the GAME, and while we are down we are NOT defeated .... YET..
I would like to introduce the --
JUST SAY NO --- Plan for a Conservative victory in 2012....
In the previous threads I and a few other freepers tossed around the idea of conservatives voting FOR the HildaBEAST or OBAMA... whichever the case may be....I would liket to present FOUR (4) reasons why I think this is a good strategy for victory in 2012...
#1 JUST SAY NO ...
- First and Foremost... IF we rally behind McCain we send the message to the RNC that we will ALWAYS pull the lever for the "R" no matter how unacceptable the candidate is.... the argument that we "hate the "D" more than the "R" ---> voting for the lesser of 2 evils is no longer acceptable to the conservative base in America... PERIOD <----
#2 JUST SAY NO ...
- Voting FOR the HildaBEAST or OBAMA in the General Election will give a LOPSIDED VICTORY to the "D" thereby making their win CLEARLY illegimate to the WORLD !! <--- and YES the WORLD watches U.S. Politcs.. and if all the PUNDITS get on board with this plan we can futher the conservative agenda around the world even more... bringing in a 3rd party will ALWAYS result in a LIBERAL victory.. the fact is the CONSERVATIVES are the majority, yet conservatives will split their vote every time.. while the minority LIBERALS stand united and WIN... every time... In a strong TWO-Party system conservatives win EVERY TIME... in a 3-party system LIBERALS win .. EVERY TIME....
#3 JUST SAY NO ...
-- and a VERY important part of this plan.. we need to DEFUND the PRESIDENTIAL RACE in 2008.... sending a dime to the RNC, or sending a dime to McCain sends the message that the Conservatives in America will support ANYONE with an "R" -- and I just can't do that anymore...
#4 JUST SAY NO ...
-- and just as important as #3 is this... we need to divert ALL of our time/money that would normally be spent on the presidential race to the CONGRESSIONAL RACES... and here is why.. we MUST take back congress to keep the HildaBEAST or Obama in check.. there are several obvious reasons for this.. but I would like to point out ONE important but not so obvious reason... and this should help ease the conscience of anyone who THINKS they are "supporting" Obama or the HildaBEAST by voting for him/her... not only will a lopsided "victory" actually be --> GLOWING defeat...<-- the conservatives in congress will be EMPOWERED to aggressively oppose her administration because they will be able to say.. "Yes, I voted FOR you because the RNC candidate was unacceptable.." --- think about this way.. HOWEVER, IF we support McCain, and he actually is able to win (which I doubt) the conservatives in congress will feel OBLIGATED to support his agenda, and it WILL be the END of our TWO-PARTY SYSTEM... This is the MAIN reason why a THIRD-Party approach to 2008 is UNACCEPTABLE... IMHO..
sorry... that rhetoric is NOT going to work this time.. that is what got us the FIRST CLINTON...... It is time for CONSERVATIVES to retake control of the GOP... starting with the CONGRESS !!! Not the WhiteHouse in 2008.... that will need to wait til 2012.. and yes we CAN survive 4 years of Clinton/Obama since our CONSERVATIVES in congress will be viewed by the entire world as the real LEADERS... IF we follow my war plan
I noticed your tagline: (VOTE DEMOCRAT-You’ll look great in a Burka!)
Try this one: (VOTE MCCAIN - You’ll look great in a sombrero!)
no the wimps in the GOP gave us McCain because they destroyed the BEST candidate in the race DUNCAN HUNTER.. by saying he did not have the “name recognition” to win.. what a bunch of wimps... but it’s not too late for us to take back the GOP.. but voting for McCain IS NOT the winning strategy..... it will only push our party further and further to the LEFT...
“Staying Home” is what got us the 2006 disaster, folks...”
NO, Republicans behaving like Democrats got you that. Judging by the establishment closing ranks around Juan McAmnesty, your party has yet to learn.
Whether you personally see it happening or not, it could happen. And in the meantime, as I said before, you will be rooting against America and praying something bad happens to our nation. Otherwise your strategy will fail.
Let's look at it from the other angle. If McCain wins the White House then either he will at least rise to a level that is acceptable to the conservative base (in which case no harm no foul) or you will have 4 years to mobilize an effort to unseat him in 2012. If he does as badly as you think he will then that would likely be a lot more probable than taking on Clinton/Obama after 4 years of satisfying their base.
If you really want to look to 2012 as your next chance to shift the Republican party to better match your views you would have better luck against McCain than either of the Democrats.
In case you missed Rush this week. Here is what he sees happening.
If there is a democrat congress and John McCain
A president judges success by getting things done. He will be unable to get anything done - except if it follows their agenda, not ours. So, look for more assault on free speech, more environmental nonsense, more money spent, no conservative judges seated because they will filibuster until he has to compromise. And, McCain will compromise because that is how he operated for all these years.
If there is a democrat congress and Hillary/Obama
- The power of the government will be in the hands of ultra liberal politicians. So all of what we fight against will move steps forward. We are still correcting the damage of the Clinton years and no telling what will happen with the world situation, terrorists, our military, medical care, etc.
There will be no conservative SC judges, only liberals appointed, activist judges on the bench, corruption and selling of our secrets, weakened military.
So, our only choice is to get as many conservatives elected to congress as possible to stem the damage.
We have no choices for conservatism thanks to the sitting out of ‘06 and the lesson taught to the GOP.
Now watch liberalism go full throttle because the conservatives decided to cave and go home.
So, thoughts that McCain will be controlled will not work - he will have no choice with a democrat congress to do anything but what the dems tell him.
..at present it is my plan to vote as I did in the primary, but I understand how you feel...
You don’t win by voting for the enemy.
Can you imagine our soldiers doing that? A vote is either yes or no to the candidate offered. A no to one is a yes to the opposition. A yes is counted the same whether from a protest or a party member.
Your only real option is to ensure that next time - the choices are more conservative. And you do not get to have a say unless you sit at the table and have enough numbers to be listened to. So don’t give the party to the moderates - fight them. Don’t give the government to liberals - fight them. Staying home helps only the enemy to win.
So, all our years of fussing about Bush not being perfect, we now have wasted our opportunity to ensure we had a conservative to elect. Time to do some real work and help our conservatives made a difference by supporting them - not tearing them apart.
ABSOLUTELY NOT !! If you think I would for ONE SECOND.. pray that something bad happens to our nation.. you obviously have NOT read my resume' -- I forgive you :) --- PLEASE -- Go back to the top of this thread and RE-read ALL FOUR points... and if you still don't get it.... we can debate it further....
Let's look at it from the other angle. If McCain wins the White House then either he will at least rise to a level that is acceptable to the conservative base (in which case no harm no foul) or you will have 4 years to mobilize an effort to unseat him in 2012. If he does as badly as you think he will then that would likely be a lot more probable than taking on Clinton/Obama after 4 years of satisfying their base.
NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.. the media will spin a "close election" to mean that conservatives WANTED McCain... and we THE SHEEPLE --- Who obey the every commandment of the Liberal Media spin masters.... The GOP will forever produce RINO's
If you really want to look to 2012 as your next chance to shift the Republican party to better match your views you would have better luck against McCain than either of the Democrats.
NEVER GONNA HAPPEN...look what the GOP did to Duncan Hunter... CLEARLY the best/most qualified candidate... and the GOP rejected him on "name recognition"... what a bunch of wimps... WAKE UP CONSERVATIVE AMERICA !!!
IF you follow your “War Plan”, there won’t BE any conservatives in Congress, at least not in numbers enough to make any difference...
Listening to Michael Reagan’s show the other night (Thursday or Friday, I believe) he made a point of saying his Father would not desert the party but support it ... even with a candidate not of his choosing.
The ONLY message they will understand is a total rejection in November of 'their' candidate.
What should be more important to all of us is making sure that the Senate has enough of a base to reject any liberal court nominations ANY of the 3 make.
Just say no to McCain and Huckabee. At the very least, say no until the convention and help force a promise to reorganize the primaries so that this never happens again.
We need to force some serious concessions from McCain before we ever come on board. Besides reorganizing the primary system, we need more on immigration (no amnesty), we need no carbon tax, we need stronger stands on homeland security (McCain has authored bills that weaken our ability to protect ourselves, here at home.
Voting FOR the HildaBEAST or OBAMA in the General Election will give a LOPSIDED VICTORY to the "D" thereby making their win CLEARLY illegimate to the WORLD !!
NO, what it will do is give either one of them a majority, which will "tell the world" that the majority of Americans supported them willingly. BETTER BETTER BETTER to cast your REPUBLICAN or INDEPENDENT vote for anyone other than the Dem Frontrunner, so that whoever wins, be it McCain or the Dem, wins by a clear plurality, which will tell the world, the GOP, and the Dems that most Americans voted against the person who won. THAT is crucial, and for that reason I plan, at this point (I won't decide for sure until election day) to use the voice of my vote to speak AGAINST the Dem and McCain. What you propose would "tell the world" that the winner is wildly popular and legit, and that is IN ERROR.
NO NO NO.. my FRiend... winning the White House by ONE VOTE or ONE million votes is the same.. winning a MAJORITY OF SEATS in CONGRESS is the KEY part of this equation..
I have been sick to death about McCain. I was for Fred, for a time Huckabee, then settled on Romney. McCain was my worst fear because he is a snake in the grass, he will turn on us since he always does, and I feel he is unstable.
In other words - the third worst candidate we could have out of McCain, Hillary, Obama. So, rather than give to the democrats - I have to go with McCain.
But, we cannot survive if we are not willing to stay in the fight. They want us out of the voting booth which is why they are bringing in so many illegals for voters. How does it help us to give them our vote?
We are going to have to work within the GOP because it would take too, too long to go third party. But, there is nothing to say we cannot grow in numbers and power in the GOP.
I suggest that we have a name so that we can identify other conservative fighters fighting back in the GOP - something to provide support, ideas for fighting back within the GOP without giving up the pitiful little power we already have.
That way at least on FR we would identify like fighters as we seek to turn the tide and work against the liberals instead of our own imperfect ones.
Time is wasted continually making macho statements, if ..... doesn’t do this, he will lose my support. Frankly, they do not care. They are not conservative enough to begin with so, if we quit, they will just go their own way in peace being more and more liberal.
But with the band of fighters we can move an inch here - another inch there. Never backward, but forward and never by giving our vote to the opposition but working in the system so that we can get a candidate to run.
“We have ALL been had by the RNC.”
We weren’t “Had” by the RNC...
The RNC has been pretty HANDS OFF throughout this whole process.
We were “Had” by the Republican Voters of CALIFORNIA...
THEY decided this, in the end..
We were “HAD” by single-issue bomb-throwers who couldn’t see the forest for the trees...
We were “HAD” by a major Media determined to destroy our “Electable” candidates...
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