gotta agree with ya there -
the AntiChrist is supposed to have charisma - that leaves Huck out = then there's the "blue turban" thing
Posted on 02/06/2008 6:19:32 PM PST by klimeckg
Thomas Paine and the Age of Reason
Thomas Paine is sometimes grouped with the Founding Fathers. Your daily newspaper might reinforce this view with editorials like this:
Franklin, Washington, Jefferson, Paine and most of our other patriarchs were at best deists, believing in the unmoved mover of Aristotle, but not the God of the Old and New Testaments.[1]
It would be difficult to name a single one of the Founding Fathers who approved of Paine's Age of Reason, his famous tract attacking religion in general and evangelical Christianity in particular. Even less-than-evangelicals like Benjamin Franklin and the "Unitarians" all denounced Paine's book.
Before Paine published his Age of Reason, he sent a manuscript copy to Benjamin Franklin, seeking his thoughts. Notice Franklin's strong and succinct reply, and keep in mind that those on all sides of the religion question would concede Franklin to be one of the least religious Founders:
I have read your manuscript with some attention. By the argument it contains against a particular Providence, though you allow a general Providence, you strike at the foundations of all religion. For without the belief of a Providence that takes cognizance of, guards, and guides, and may favor particular persons, there is no motive to worship a Deity, to fear his displeasure, or to pray for his protection. I will not enter into any discussion of your principles, though you seem to desire it. At present I shall only give you my opinion that . . . the consequence of printing this piece will be a great deal of odium drawn upon yourself, mischief to you, and no benefit to others. He that spits into the wind, spits in his own face. But were you to succeed, do you imagine any good would be done by it? . . .
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They will simple stay home, why participate with people that hate you.
Well, you Hucksters have sold your political soul and sold the Republican party right with it. Huckabee is every bit the huckster that the name implies and you all bought a bill of goods that is sure to bring buyer’s remorse, but I never expect you to admit it.
Huckabee is every bit the flip flopping leftie, do anything, say anything to get elected, that Romney is. You seem to think that because he used to be a Baptist minister, that his sins are all forgiven. Well, I don’t buy that.
Pretty harsh words for someone who doesn’t know that I’m really a John Kasich supporter.
Mormons have a very admirable voting record ~ not likely they'll quit voting.
Pretty broad brush there. If that statement were true, you are calling Jesus a bigot.
Jesus separated politics from religion when he said give unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.
That's what the video you linked to says.
Jesus would disagree.
An Apostle of the LDS, Dallin H. Oaks.
Does that mean that his statement must be adhered to by all Mormons?
The founding fathers were not deists. They were mostly conservative, calvinistic Christians.
DrE has in the past posted a list of the signers and their affiliations. Hopefully, she still has it.
Even the 2 or 3 who were deists were Judeo-CHRISTIAN Deists.
Don't know if it's 'dogma' - only know I was 'uninvited' to my grandson's baptism in a Catholic church because I was a Mormon -
But as you can see, on this thread - and any other, where the word Mormon shows up - there' "no bias" against the Mormon church - (cough cough)
There have been posters on FR who admit and defend it.
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I agree with you; but what about the truth that is told?
How do you fight THAT?
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Many are good at taking part of the truth and forgetting to give the rest, ending up with misleading ideas, and I am tired of it being done about my Church.
gotta agree with ya there -
the AntiChrist is supposed to have charisma - that leaves Huck out = then there's the "blue turban" thing
Hey, whatcha doing in here with all your common sense?
Doncha know that's not welcomed when the FR-MB's are in a good lather?
As you correctly noted, most all identified themselves as Christians, and the vast majority were reformed Christians which is why the British referred to the American Revolution as the "Presbyterian Revolt."
And here's a great essay I came across this morning...
Such a thing could never happen in a million years. And it didn't happen in 1776. Most of the men who wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence were men of God, men of the Bible, men steeped in the Christian history of Europe and England, men who unashamedly confessed their faith in our Lord Jesus Christ...""Today's atheists, humanists, and pagan liberals are fond of telling us that the writers and signers of the Declaration were not believers in God and His Son Jesus Christ, but that they were unbelievers, secularists, and materialists. They want us to believe that the men of the Declaration of Independence just somehow dropped out of nowhere onto the American scene, and came up with a purely rationalistic, materialistic, and secular notion of how to build a new nation of politicl liberty.
Great stuff, DrE!
Almost makes me want to be a Presbyterian.
Guess I’ll just have to settle for being a George Whitefield era Methodist.
While I am tired of it being done by MEMBERS of your Organization!
The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the Mudville nine that day;
The score stood four to two, with but one inning more to play,
And then when Cooney died at first, and Barrows did the same,
A pall-like silence fell upon the patrons of the game.
A straggling few got up to go in deep despair. The rest
Clung to that hope which springs eternal in the human breast;
They thought, “If only Casey could but get a whack at that —
We’d put up even money now, with Casey at the bat.”
But Flynn preceded Casey, as did also Jimmy Blake,
And the former was a hoodoo, while the latter was a cake;
So upon that stricken multitude grim melancholy sat;
For there seemed but little chance of Casey getting to the bat.
But Flynn let drive a single, to the wonderment of all,
And Blake, the much despised, tore the cover off the ball;
And when the dust had lifted, and men saw what had occurred,
There was Jimmy safe at second and Flynn a-hugging third.
Then from five thousand throats and more there rose a lusty yell;
It rumbled through the valley, it rattled in the dell;
It pounded on the mountain and recoiled upon the flat,
For Casey, mighty Casey, was advancing to the bat.
There was ease in Casey’s manner as he stepped into his place;
There was pride in Casey’s bearing and a smile lit Casey’s face.
And when, responding to the cheers, he lightly doffed his hat,
No stranger in the crowd could doubt ‘twas Casey at the bat.
Ten thousand eyes were on him as he rubbed his hands with dirt.
Five thousand tongues applauded when he wiped them on his shirt.
Then while the writhing pitcher ground the ball into his hip,
Defiance flashed in Casey’s eye, a sneer curled Casey’s lip.
And now the leather-covered sphere came hurtling through the air,
And Casey stood a-watching it in haughty grandeur there.
Close by the sturdy batsman the ball unheeded sped —
“That ain’t my style,” said Casey. “Strike one!” the umpire said.
From the benches, black with people, there went up a muffled roar,
Like the beating of the storm-waves on a stern and distant shore;
“Kill him! Kill the umpire!” shouted some one on the stand;
And it’s likely they’d have killed him had not Casey raised his hand.
With a smile of Christian charity great Casey’s visage shone;
He stilled the rising tumult; he bade the game go on;
He signaled to the pitcher, and once more the dun sphere flew;
But Casey still ignored it, and the umpire said “Strike two!”
“Fraud!” cried the maddened thousands, and echo answered “Fraud!”
But one scornful look from Casey and the audience was awed.
They saw his face grow stern and cold, they saw his muscles strain,
And they knew that Casey wouldn’t let that ball go by again.
The sneer has fled from Casey’s lip, the teeth are clenched in hate;
He pounds with cruel violence his bat upon the plate.
And now the pitcher holds the ball, and now he lets it go,
And now the air is shattered by the force of Casey’s blow.
Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright,
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and little children shout;
But there is no joy in Mudville — mighty Casey has struck out.
I’ve seen such rejection in all faiths. It isn’t taught or preached in the LDS faith, though because of human nature I’ve seen it happen even among the LDS. Yet, the church leaders constantly teach patience, love, and acceptance of their family members, whether they are active in the faith or not.
To be a cult, the LDS leaders would have to encourage and practice rejection of those who leave the faith. They certainly don’t teach that and to the contrary, they teach to be loving, tolerant and patient.
I don’t understand your posts. The requirements that one needs to meet to enter the temple are set by the LDS church and are really decided by the individual in a personal interview if those requirements are met.
Why the post of Elder Oaks?
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