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Samsung's BD-P1400 Blu-ray player sinks below $300 {HDTV}
engadget.com ^ | 12/8/2007

Posted on 12/10/2007 6:00:03 AM PST by shove_it

...With prices on HD DVD players in a perpetual state of free fall, it was only a matter of time before the slashings bled over to the other camp. Sure enough, Samsung's fairly well spec'd BD-P1400 -- which was announced at $549 and sold at $499 in late August -- has sunk to $298.76 at Amazon. In case you needed a refresher, this one's packing 1080p24 support, Dolby Digital Plug / True HD, DTS HD, HDMI 1.3, 1080p DVD upconversion and a pretty snazzy design, too. And hey, if you need extra incentive, there's always the five free flicks that come along with it...

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To: WackySam
Any chart that says you can't tell the difference between 480p, 720p, and 1080p on a 60" HDTV at 17.5 feet is obviously flawed.

I think it's base on the number of arc-seconds resolvable by the typical human eye. That makes some sense, just like the fact that the human ear typically can't hear much above about 18 kHz. But in both cases, I think that having the information intact outside those thresholds has an effect on the overall sensation. I think you're actually right, I just wanted to see if you had any thoughts more interesting than "full of s*%&".

21 posted on 12/10/2007 4:55:25 PM PST by xjcsa (Defenseless enemies are fun.)
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To: xjcsa
Have you tried real HD DVDs or just upconverting regular DVDs?

I'm still not clear on all this HD DVD stuff. Are you saying that "up-conversion" only works with DVD's in HD format? I thought that "up'conversion" players would enhance regular DVD's to HD............Am I wrong in thinking this?

That being the case, then what is the purpose of DVD players stating that they are "Up-converters" if they are only talking about HD DVD's?

And if the DVD "Up-Converters" only convert HD DVD's, then what is the difference between them (at a $70 price tag) and the actual HD DVD players?

This is getting more and more confusing to me..........

22 posted on 12/10/2007 5:06:22 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Visions of sugarplums dancing in your head are probably caused by bad drugs.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco
I'm still not clear on all this HD DVD stuff. Are you saying that "up-conversion" only works with DVD's in HD format? I thought that "up'conversion" players would enhance regular DVD's to HD............Am I wrong in thinking this?

It's basically a scale convertor that maps the pixels from the DVD onto your higher-resolution HD screen, using one of various methods to interpolate the extra pixels. It's *not* the same as a true HD DVD, because the regular DVD doesn't carry enough information for that sharp of a picture, and the upconverting player isn't magic. The difference is whether the extra pixels of resolution are real and from the source, or whether they're guessed at by a computer based on the lower-resolution DVD. Upconversion is not necessary with a true HD DVD or Blu-Ray.

That being the case, then what is the purpose of DVD players stating that they are "Up-converters" if they are only talking about HD DVD's?

A mix of marketing hype and a marginally better picture at best.

And if the DVD "Up-Converters" only convert HD DVD's, then what is the difference between them (at a $70 price tag) and the actual HD DVD players?

They won't play true HD DVDs, and their picture is inferior to true HD DVDs.

23 posted on 12/10/2007 5:16:56 PM PST by xjcsa (Defenseless enemies are fun.)
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To: xjcsa
They won't play true HD DVDs, and their picture is inferior to true HD DVDs.

LOL! Oh well, thats why I went with the $78 player, I needed another one anyway. I can use it on my den's tv........

24 posted on 12/10/2007 5:29:04 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Visions of sugarplums dancing in your head are probably caused by bad drugs.....)
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To: fr_freak
I’m assuming you have these files on your PC. If so, you can just pipe your PC output to your TV.

I do have a media PC attached via SXGA but that doesn't allow full use of the available resolution of the TV. I did however just compare the picture of a DVD at 480p and OTA Monday Night Football at 720p and could clearly see the difference between the two at more than 20'.
25 posted on 12/10/2007 6:35:35 PM PST by WackySam
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To: xjcsa
I think it's base on the number of arc-seconds resolvable by the typical human eye. That makes some sense, just like the fact that the human ear typically can't hear much above about 18 kHz. But in both cases, I think that having the information intact outside those thresholds has an effect on the overall sensation.

I agree. I also think this chart may be based on a static image and not normal TV viewing.

I think you're actually right, I just wanted to see if you had any thoughts more interesting than "full of s*%&".

I can't give you a technical answer as to why, but I can tell you through experience that this chart (IMHO) is not accurate.
26 posted on 12/10/2007 7:26:32 PM PST by WackySam
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To: WackySam

?


27 posted on 12/10/2007 7:43:35 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: js1138

Well I’m telling you MOST can’t tell. in fact a good upconverting DVD will make some DVDs look as good as the first crappy bluray movies that hit the market.

I’m an AV fanatic...and tbh the bang for the buck isn’t there yet and I own an hd dvd player. My wife got it for me as a gift, so I *love* it when she asks but for people that don’t know her I tell them the truth.


28 posted on 12/10/2007 9:19:42 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Hot Tabasco
My Toshiba HD-DVD player up-converts regular DVD’s, my MIB DVD looks great up-converted on the TV screen, but when a HD-DVD is played, the picture quality is stunning!
29 posted on 12/11/2007 12:19:31 AM PST by Las Vegas Dave ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, June 2004.)
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To: shove_it

Hey, five free flicks... this could be a good reason to make the jump... of course, I have no good reason to, considering I don’t have HDTV (yet). But anyone with HDTV probably should consider it, IMHO.


30 posted on 12/11/2007 12:46:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, December 10, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: for-q-clinton

Since you are a fanatic, perhaps you’d tell us what upconverter does this so well. I could be in the market.


31 posted on 12/11/2007 2:40:06 AM PST by js1138
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To: WackySam

Please explain.


32 posted on 12/11/2007 6:31:57 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: js1138
After lots of research and reading reviews, I've decided to buy an Oppo upconverting player (as soon as I buy the Pioneer Kuro plasma I want).

Oppo DV-981HD

33 posted on 12/11/2007 7:05:15 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Niteranger68

Sounds like good advice.


34 posted on 12/11/2007 8:21:14 AM PST by marvlus
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To: js1138

Well the funny thing is now with HD DVD dropping in price you can get a HD DVD player with upconverting for few bucks more than a 1080p DVD upconverter (or even the same price).

It’s all about timing with electronics. BluRay is still about 1 year away from being a reasonable price. But to be honest there’s a couple things to watch for when buying an upconverting DVD Player.

1) What is your native TV resolution? If it’s only 720P...you don’t need a 1080P upconverter

2) What size is your TV? As posted by someone earlier size and viewing distance makes a big difference (that’s what she said [g])

3) A personal peeve of mine...don’t buy an LCD. even they *may* look good in stores if you get a pixel stuck “on” it will drive you crazy and many lcds allow for a few bad pixels out of the box. But even then if the pixel gets stuck on 3 years from now...you’ll need to buy a new TV.

4) I’m waiting to upgrade my 720P DLP projector (110” screen) to a 1080p unit when the prices get better. And I’m going to replace my 57” 1080i CRT (which still has better PQ than just about any digital set on the market) with a 1080p plasma next year—I’m figuring that the price on them will be better and they have the PQ that can match CRT in most areas and better in others.


35 posted on 12/11/2007 8:30:08 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Hot Tabasco
I'm beginning to think that all this hype about HDDVD players

The hype is about HD DVDs, not upconverting players. Upconverting is just faking it. I mean the data on the disc is still the same. You need actual HD DVDs to really get anything out of HD. If you think it is nothing but hype try changing your monitor to a 640x480 resolution and using your computer like that for a while.
36 posted on 12/11/2007 8:59:42 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Why?
It does not play HD dvds so why waste the money.


37 posted on 12/11/2007 9:03:28 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: for-q-clinton
That 57” HDCRT must be HUGE!! I had no idea they made glass tubes that big.
The tv in my bedroom is a 37” 4:3 sdtv and i thought that was an enormous tube tv!
My good set is a Sony 34” widescreen and that tv weighs slightly under 200 lbs.

Do you notice if the up-converting dvd’s look any better on your CRT.
I read on AVS forum somewhere that on analog tubes you don’t really see much of a difference.
Same guy said it’s better to use Component cables on analog tubes than the digital HDMI so the CRT set doesn’t have to convert the digital signal to analog It’s one less link in the chain.

I also wonder if the up-converting chip on most of these players are any better than the one already built in on my Sony. (Oppo not included)

38 posted on 12/11/2007 9:21:00 AM PST by mowowie
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To: TalonDJ
If you think it is nothing but hype try changing your monitor to a 640x480 resolution

Good advice, how do I do it?

39 posted on 12/11/2007 9:53:03 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Visions of sugarplums dancing in your head are probably caused by bad drugs.....)
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To: mowowie

It’s RPTV...but the guns are CRT ;-)


40 posted on 12/11/2007 10:15:35 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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