Posted on 10/07/2007 4:50:54 AM PDT by Man50D
President George Bush has repeated his belief all religions, "whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God" – an assertion that caused outrage among evangelical leaders when he said it in November 2003.
Bush made the statement Friday in an interview with Al Arabiya reporter Elie Nakouzi.
Al Arabiya is Al Jazeerah's top competitor in the Mideast.
As the president and Nakouzi walked from the Oval Office to the Map Room in the White House residence, Nazouki asked, "But I want to tell you – and I hope this doesn't bother you at all – that in the Islamic world they think that President Bush is an enemy of Islam – that he wants to destroy their religion, what they believe in. Is that in any way true, Mr. President?"
"No, it's not," said Bush. "I've heard that, and it just shows [sic] to show a couple of things: One, that the radicals have done a good job of propagandizing. In other words, they've spread the word that this really isn't peaceful people versus radical people or terrorists, this is really about the America not liking Islam.
"Well, first of all, I believe in an Almighty God, and I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God. That's what I believe. I believe that Islam is a great religion that preaches peace. And I believe people who murder the innocent to achieve political objectives aren't religious people, whether they be a Christian who does that – we had a person blow up our – blow up a federal building in Oklahoma City who professed to be a Christian, but that's not a Christian act to kill innocent people.
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
LOL! Yes, you could do that.
But the demon represented by the stone idol is very real.
Probably doesn't know a lick about Islamic eschatology either.
Hmmm..., so you don't think that with all the analysts and advisors, that no one has done a complete run-down of Ahmadinjed and the Mahdi?? That's a hilarious concept that you're bringing up, that he's not informed on this... LOL!
I mean, I can read about it on "Wikipedia". I suppose his advisor don''t even have the benefit of Wikipedia or Google... LOL!
Boy! Those analysts and advisors must be stuck back in the stone age...
Regards,
Star Traveler
“I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God. That’s what I believe. I believe that Islam is a great religion that preaches peace.”
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Welcome to the New World Order/One World Religion,,,
His own words and deeds convict him...
I wonder if the Pope will comment on this last statement ??
I concur. It also explains volumes when he is photographed smiling at the Clintons, promoting a New World Order, and encouraging the Saudis.
I’ve never heard of anyone who thinks Christian Identity has anything to do with Christianity.
I see you're a bit slow on the "uptake" here. Let's hope that this reporter and his readers are better at this than you are....
It goes this way. Bush is giving this reporter an answer that the Commander in Chief would give to a group of people that he was waging war on (those Islamic hoards). He parses and chooses his words carefully and says that he's not at war with them, since they are a religion of peace ("dontcha know...") and since that he understands their "troubles" because we've got the same type of troubles here in this country ("dontcha know" once again...).
You see..., "us good ole boys" got a bunch of people running around saying that they are Christians, too (just like y'all have a bunch of people claiming to be true Islamics and blowing up things). Well, our "so-called" Christians have blown up things in this country, so we know that you're not like that just like we're not like that.
So, why don't we all get together and have that "Kumbaya" moment (like we all want to ["dontcha know" again]) ... [while I keep killing those b*stards who use Islam to come after us].
LOL!
Like I said, you're a bit slow of the uptake today, aren't you...?
Regards,
Star Traveler
We had a Egyptian man at our church today who has converted from Islam to Christ. He walked into a mosque in Egypt after coming to Christ and did not remove his shoes. It is believed by muslims that allah will strike you dead for that and he challenged allah to try. Then walked up to the inman up front and while everyone was still in shock took the microphone from him and said, “ I have just one question for you who insult my Lord Jesus. If you were traveling down a road and came to a fork in the road with two ways to go being lost as to which way you should go. And there were two men there at the fork. One dead and one alive. Which one would you ask for the right direction to go?” They answered “the man who was living.” He said, “ then you should follow Jesus Who is alive instead of Mohamed who is dead.” He walked out and no one touched him.
He did end in prison for leading a large underground church soon after. Another story.
Famous Bush #1 : Islam is a religion of peace
Meaning: Once you have been beheaded, you rest peacefully.
Famous Bush #2: This is not an amnesty bill
Meaning: This is an amnesty bill.
IMHO, I do not know if Bush is believer or not, but I do think his personal beliefs have been more influenced by his family and the doctrines taught in freemasonry than by faith through Christ.
Masons are emphatic to state their belief in God, but equally as dogmatic not to express that belief through faith in Christ only, a thinking which is not from God, nor the Son, nor of the Holy Spirit.
It is interesting that God reveals to us that fallen angels exist including one who seeks to be worshiped as God and who also called the Adversary, Deceiver, adversarial accuser, amongst a number of other descriptors.
There is a common denominator amongst those who equate Islam, Christianity, and Judaism, but deny the Son of God as the only person through whom we may have faith for eternal salvation. That common denominator is a worship of the Adversary, if they do indeed believe in the supernatural. Many also simply place their faith in the worldly systems, so become associated with masonry to advance themselves amongst a brotherhood of common believing people, none who are stout enough to remain in faith through Christ in all things, but will allow their associations to be more influenced by the world than by faith through Christ.
Just think of the rewards and crowns awaiting for George Bush in heaven, if he would simply remain in faith through Christ in all things and not equivocate rejection of the Son as an equal or comparable faith through Christ.
IMHO, most of America’s woes today are due to believers who turned away from God, and attempted to counterfeit their own worldly system of paradise independent of faith through Christ, by encouraging any and every form of alternative to the Plan, God has provided through the Son.
On another note, if our enemies were smart, they would turn to God, through faith in Christ, and we would become a footstool to His feet, while they would gain eternal blessings. Even so, come Lord Jesus.
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Either I’m typing in a different language, or no one is bothering to actually read my posts.
Question: If I say I that I believe in the U.S. Constitution, but I only accept the ACLU’s version, do we believe in the same Constitution? My point was and continues to be that you can make an argument for “yes” or “no”.
I don’t think there is much that I don’t understand about Islam. Thank you very much.
His own words and deeds convict him...
On the other hand, in terms of the Islamic hoards, he's most likely "lying through his political teeth" and giving them a bunch of misdirection and F.U.D. along with it. He says, "We're all in this together..." while at the same time he goes on killing those Islamic b*stards who use the Islamic religion as their sole justification for coming after us in the West. As long as he keeps killing them... LOL!
In other FReeper thread, I saw this web site and a DVD documentary, called "Farewell Israel: Bush, Iran and the Revolt of Islam". It's ordered and on its way now. I hope to be seeing it in a few days.
I would advise people to see this and another one, called "Obsession". I've got that one, too and it's very good (very informative for your friends and family).
Time to start educating everyone you know...
Regards,
Star Traveler
I know of one Jew who holds that belief very well and He sits today as the High Priest, at the right hand of the Father.
Don't you think that the Jews would have a better understanding of the Old Testament than anyone else?
One does pretty well. He taught those in the temple even in the flesh as a young boy and today indwells His temple in each and every believer in the Holy Spirit who indwells each and every believer.
" They did write The Book you know."
Actually, one Jew is identified with the Son, the Word, or in the Targums as the Memra. He will later write it into the hearts and minds of all believers so that none will have to be taught His Word anymore.
ST, my impression of GWB is that he grew up in a Christian culture, thinks more along the terms of masonic game playing, and when he makes these statements, manifests he does believe God exists and identifies God in a masonic fashion as being the same in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, but then in his thinking is more absorbed in worldly gamesmanship than remaining in his thinking through faith in Christ in all things.
Is this your impression of his deeper meanings?
One of the more interesting takes on this story today:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1907896/posts
Endowed by their Creator
By Alan Keyes
According to WorldNetDaily’s headline story on October 7, President Bush has once again displayed his lack of thoughtfulness with the statement that people of all religions pray to the same God.
This president often seems intent on proving right the vicious critics who ridicule him as someone who simply lacks the intelligence the presidency requires. Of course their criticism, aside from smacking of the arrogant elitism all too characteristic of left wingers, misses the mark. The president’s remark isn’t evidence of stupidity, or even, as some Christian critics would have it, of simply theological ignorance. Rather, it bespeaks a lack of thoughtfulness, the kind of common-sense pondering that, from his youth, characterized Abraham Lincoln (also a man criticized in his day for his lack of intelligence, by the way).
In particular, it bespeaks a failure to think through the basic premises of constitutional self-government, as they were eloquently and simply stated in the Declaration of Independence.
The Declaration declares that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. People these days, when they remember the Declaration at all, tend to focus on the rights and forget the Creator. President Bush’s embarrassing remark may be the result of this myopia. If we remember and reflect on the Declaration’s reference to the Creator, we realize that it invokes the authority of the Creator God as the basis for our claim to unalienable rights. It invokes that authority as governing all human beings, not just those who believe in or pray to Him.
This suggests a simple amendment in Bush’s remark that would reflect the self-evident truth asserted in the Declaration. All human beings are subject to the same God. All human beings in their very nature reflect the substance of God’s will. All human beings, regardless of their religion, and indeed even if they deny the existence of God or any god, have at the very heart of their being, the dictates of the Creator that make their existence possible, dictates reflected in their consciences even when they consciously mistake or deny the One whose will inscribed them there.
These statements about the universal sovereignty of God reflect the wisdom of America’s Founding generation, wisdom that requires no more intelligence or sophistication than it takes to read a computer’s instruction manual to learn how it works, or return it to the folks who made it for repairs. The word authority refers in the first place to authorship, a fact our common sense recognizes long before we learn the word. Whether we acknowledge it or not, we are subject to the dictates of the One who fashioned our being. We operate as He has prescribed, even when we refuse consciously to acknowledge or cooperate with His being.
I think the Christians who criticize Bush for his lack of theological understanding have therefore missed the most disturbing implication of his statement. Apparently, the President of the United States has never thoughtfully considered the premise of our existence as a nation. The man sworn to the greatest responsibility to uphold, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States apparently doesn’t understand the idea that it is founded upon. How can he defend what he does not understand? How can he uphold the Constitution if he cannot defend the ground upon which it stands?
I think it would be unfair, however, to leave the impression that President Bush is somehow unique in his failure to grasp the common-sense wisdom that reveals the possibility of human liberty. In fact, he simply reflects what is now the prevalent defect of our governing elites, whose fancied sophistication has cut them off from the wisdom of America’s Founding generation. They think that God has authority over people because they pray to Him. They think that He is a convenient figment of human need and imagination, conjured up as humanity creates itself out of the chaos of material evolution. This may give comfort to human pride and arrogance, but it offers none to those who seek justice when the strong survive and dominate at the expense of human life, human dignity, and human freedom.
I think President Bush is right to seek some way to make it clear that the war against terror is not a religious crusade against Islam. I only wish he had the ability to make this point without denying the difference that, in truth, distinguishes one religion from another and Christianity from all the rest. He reaches for some way to express the universal truth that America fights for in the war against the terrorists, even as we fought for it in the wars against the Communists or the Nazis. But like the rest of his elite brethren, he can no longer see this truth, or express it without shame.
Justice is not the good of the stronger. It is not the survival of the fittest. It is the universal birthright of all humanity, established not by our laws, not by our triumphs, and not even by our prayers, but by the will of the Creator. Though some may pray to Him, and others not, all are entitled to be treated according to His will. Whether they are Christians, Jews, or Muslims, pagans, agnostics, or atheists, all people are His creatures, by nature equal until, by denying His justice to others, they bring His judgment against themselves.
President Bush is wrong to imply that Americans can believe that all religions are equal. (After all, those who deny the authority of the Creator deny the truth that makes our freedom possible.) We do believe that by God’s will, His justice applies to all, even those who are mistaken in their beliefs. This is the American creed, in view of which all humanity may live without fear, so long as they give to the rights of others the respect it offers to their own.
President Bush would be well advised to think upon and even borrow these reflections. America will be better off when we have a president who borrows them from our Founders and thinks of them on his own.
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/keyes/071007
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/keyes
I agree that He has provided judgment for all sin, but regarding nonjudgment, read 1st Cor Chapter 6 in one sitting.
Here is just a tip of an iceburg...
1Co 6:2-3
(2) Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
(3) Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
Is this your impression of his deeper meanings?
Well, he does profess a saving faith in Jesus Christ as his personal savior. Now, that by itself doesn't guarantee anyone that they will automatically become more knowledgeable and right on a lot of other subjects (in the Bible) that they should know about. So, I really don't know his depth of thinking in some of these other things -- like for instance, how much of this stuff going on in the Middle East is really going along the lines of Bible Prophecy and that to work for the "dividing of Israel" is really to work against God's expressly stated will (in that particular matter, very specifically). So, perhaps he has a saving faith and doesn't know a lot about Bible Prophecy.
Come to think about it, a lot of Christians that I know (whom I believe are really saved) don't know a lot about Bible Prophecy (very simply... "what is to come" -- nothing more and nothing less).
It would seem (very much so) that the Administration's policies do work against what God says is His will, at least as far as it comes to Israel. I don't want to find myself working on the wrong side of God on that matter, that's for sure (but a lot of people do...).
As far as the Islamics, I really do think he's giving them a "bunch of hooey" and keeping them placated, while he kills as many of the terrorists that he can. So, it's more or less, placating the masses (of Islamic hoards) while you kill the real terrorists and take away their infrastructure. That's a lot of what he's saying when he talks about the "religion of peace"...
Regards,
Star Traveler
President Bush, read your bible! Isaiah 43:10-13. Do not compare the true living God to the little worthless “gods” of the world. Every knee shall bow one day whether they believe in Him or not. “Choose this day whom you will serve” (Joshua 24:15).
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