Posted on 10/07/2007 4:50:54 AM PDT by Man50D
President George Bush has repeated his belief all religions, "whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God" – an assertion that caused outrage among evangelical leaders when he said it in November 2003.
Bush made the statement Friday in an interview with Al Arabiya reporter Elie Nakouzi.
Al Arabiya is Al Jazeerah's top competitor in the Mideast.
As the president and Nakouzi walked from the Oval Office to the Map Room in the White House residence, Nazouki asked, "But I want to tell you – and I hope this doesn't bother you at all – that in the Islamic world they think that President Bush is an enemy of Islam – that he wants to destroy their religion, what they believe in. Is that in any way true, Mr. President?"
"No, it's not," said Bush. "I've heard that, and it just shows [sic] to show a couple of things: One, that the radicals have done a good job of propagandizing. In other words, they've spread the word that this really isn't peaceful people versus radical people or terrorists, this is really about the America not liking Islam.
"Well, first of all, I believe in an Almighty God, and I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God. That's what I believe. I believe that Islam is a great religion that preaches peace. And I believe people who murder the innocent to achieve political objectives aren't religious people, whether they be a Christian who does that – we had a person blow up our – blow up a federal building in Oklahoma City who professed to be a Christian, but that's not a Christian act to kill innocent people.
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
This really what happens in the era of Billy-Graham Christianity—preach a “personal relationship” with Christ, but don’t preach repentance, accountibility, or scripture.
What is he talking about here?
I've never heard this before.
Hmmm..., you're quite out of touch here, aren't you? McVeigh was shown to have been in contact with a Christian Identity movement in Oklahoma, the leader of which group said (on the day of Oklahoma City) to his guards that something big was going to happen that day. That leader was also executed that day. He was obviously referring to Oklahoma City.
So, it's not too hard for Bush to say, in referring to McVeigh, in connection with that Christian Identity movement in Oklahoma, that McVeigh claimed to be a Christian and he blew up buildings.
I'm surprised you haven't heard this stuff before....
Regards,
Star Traveler
There are no words to adequately describe this mentally deficient embarrassment.
Well, there could be words to explain it. He is the Commander in Chief and he may very well be "lying through his political teeth" and not giving away the game plan to the enemy, keeping them placated (all the while), during which time the U.S. takes away all the capacity and capability of the radicals among them, who use Islam as the pure (i.e., "sole") justification for all that they do.
Regards,
Star Traveler
Not even the Sunnis and the Shias worship the same “god.” They appear to be worshipping two different blood-thirsty, goat-roping idols. George Bush doesn’t even seem to be aware of the central division between all the pagans of previous ages—their pursuit of “many gods” and the central, civilizing reality of Western Christianity—”Our Father in Heaven.”
I feel like throwing up. We are doomed.
Well..., have you forgotten, that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, knows the end from the beginning and has all things under His control and that nothing can thwart His will in this world?
Regards,
Star Traveler
Also, most mainline denominations, if you dig deep enough into their denominational statements say the same thing... allah is the same god Christians worship. Nothing could be further from the truth. I know the Lutherans have it in theirs. They tell their parishoners that Allah is equal and to get over it. And because it comes from the main denominational office, they believe it...rather than get it from the Word.
There is a verse in the Bible that says... My people perish for lack of knowledge.
Because he is ignorant of prophecy and the true name of God, we will all suffer. Probably doesn't know a lick about Islamic eschatology either.
It appears you're choosing to ignore my point that the Muslims define Allah as the God of Abraham. It is the qualities added and deleted by Mohamed that make their understanding of Him different. Now if that means its not God in your book, fine, I already conceded that was a valid way to define it.
The president is no theologian.
Best he keep his mouth shut and not show is absolute ignorance on this subject.
Ba'al is Yahweh???
The president is no theologian.
Best he keep his mouth shut and not show HIS absolute ignorance on this subject.
Ba'al is Yahweh???
Islam was inspired by demonic vision intending to subvert and destroy the Torah, the Bible, and all who believe in them. It is diabolically and diametrically opposed to Jehovah and his Word.
Mohammed is a prophet of Lucifer.
It is far worse than you would make it appear. I suggest you read the Koran and accompanying hadiths to gain a better perspective. Pay special attention to prophecy in Islam as compared to the Hebrew Prophecy.
This is completely false as the theological beliefs of Sunni and Shia are nearly identically. Their difference come in the form of worldly rule of their religion.
The Bible makes it very clear to anyone who reads it through, that God emphatically intervenes in this world and in everyone’s lives all the time and with great precision, while, at the same time, not overwhelming people, individually, in their own free will to either accept or reject Him (through His Son, Jesus Christ).
God makes it abundantly clear that He intervenes all the time and directs everything, in this world, to their *intended* course of action and end-goal. All things work towards fulfilling His will, whether anyone actually knows or acknowledges it.
Regards,
Star Traveler
Ba'al is Lucifer and Mohammed is his prophet.
Or....ba’al is a rock, and I can crush it and add it to an asphalt patch my driveway needs right now. :>)
Have they not read?
It is written:
(KJV) 2 John:
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
For those who prefer the NIV:
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.
11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.
Seems pretty straight forward.
Very few. However, I didn't say that Jews believe that the God of the bible is the same God in both the old and new testaments, I said that God IS the same God of both. Only the relatively few Messianic Jewish Christians believe that he is the same God of both the OT and NT. Of course neither Orthodox nor Conservative Jews believe that, and many Reformed and secular ethnic Jews don't believe that there is a God at all. But unbelief by one group of people and belief by another group doesn't make either group's belief true or false.
Actually, the triune nature of God is directly implied by Genesis ch 1:v26 in which God says to himself, "Let US make man in OUR image". He said that to himself because he is the only Creator and the only God. Of course that implication is not universally accepted as convincing evidence that the Creator is a divine trinity incomprehensible to the human mind, or else there would be no conflicting points of view between Jews and Christians concerning the matter.
I’ve never heard of anyone who thinks Christian Identity has anything to do with Christianity.
I guess I know of two people now: You and Bush.
I’ve found it more accurate to state that those who think all prayers are directed at the same God either do not understand the significance of what He has provided for us, or they have lapsed into a soulish perspective considering God to be somebody more powerful than they are, but nonetheless not understanding how one can have a relationship with God on His terms, or in many cases, have been deceived either by the Adversary, the world, his minions, or possibly their own personal arrogance into believing God must conform to their perception of Him, rather than the great ‘I AM’ who is the only one able to reveal Himself to us and is not free when faced with anything unrighteous to do anything but demand perfect justice.
God the Father is not free to receive our prayers unless they are perfectly righteous. God Himself has come in the flesh to provide the perfect sacrifice, BY which we are able now to come to Him. When a person rejects what God provides for a relationship with Him, He only sees unrighteousness in that person and anything they do or think. It is only though faith in Christ whereby we have assurance of an opportunity to have a fellowship with Him, which He richly provides in the regeneration of the human spirit.
People out of fellowship with God might pray to God the Father, but unless there is something He can look at in the relationship which is righteous His perfect Jusdgement demands only perfect righteousness, therefore such unrighteous prayers do not serve in any relationship with God.
They might pray to Him, but without Christ and without the Holy Spirit, their prayers are in vain. The issue isn’t how important our prayers are to Him, it is how He has provided a mechanism, a protocol, by which we might have a relationship with Him.
To complicate things further, there do exist evil spirits and fallen angels who seek to be worshiped as God, who will attempt to deceive. Accordingly, if one isn’t in fellowship with God through faith in Christ, one needs to discern if the spirits through which they seek Him are indeed holy. One simple test is to make sure the spirit admits God has come in the flesh and is now in heaven at the right hand of the Father. If any person denies Christ, God in the flesh, they are the spirit of antiChrist.
The real scary part is not that he is ignorant,
but that he does not know anyone who is acquainted with Yah'shua.
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