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Abortion - Don't just hold Rudy and Mitt accountable, remember Fred
Spark it Up ^ | June 24, 2007

Posted on 06/24/2007 7:54:42 AM PDT by rob21

We are holding Rudy and Mitt to the fire about their past on abortion. Lets not forget Fred Thompson.

Abortions should be legal in all circumstances as long as the procedure is completed within the first trimester of the pregnancy. Link

A very strong statement from Fred Thompson when he was running for congress.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; duncanhunter; elections; fredonabortion; fredthompson; rino; romney; rudygiuliani; troll; zot
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To: rob21
but that some of his statements on abortion trouble me.

Who cares what he said? What he said back then is irrelevant. Even Ted Kennedy made pro-life statements. Did it influence his voting record and current support of abortion rights later on?

Thompson is firmly pro-life. There is no debate here. This isn't worth losing your FR membership over.

61 posted on 06/24/2007 9:45:43 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: EGPWS

“No wonder Osama totes the mindset to wait and let America destroy themselves from within.

We have plenty here that will do his bidding for him and not even realize that they are doing it.

You rob21 are promoting terrorism stateside because you haven’t shown any aggressiveness to stifle it and that will kill many more than your concerning efforts to stifle abortion.”

Wow. I’m promoting terrorism by opposing Fred Thompson? I think that everyone needs to read this thread so that they can see just how the fredbots really think. This is really scary.


62 posted on 06/24/2007 9:46:19 AM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: rob21; Spiff
You're twisting Spiff's words as badly as you've twisted Fred's.

...for what I’m not exactly sure.

Let me tell you again: for smearing a good conservative.

63 posted on 06/24/2007 9:46:39 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: rob21
I think that everyone needs to read this thread so that they can see just how the fredbots really think.

You're going to ascribe the words of one person to everyone who supports the same candidate?

Where did you get your education? Ever study logic?

64 posted on 06/24/2007 9:47:58 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Why shouldn’t we care what he said? If he wants to run for president, then he needs to be held accountable for his past statements.

I don’t think that I will lose my FR membership over my lack of fred worship. This is a conservative site and we don’t all have to blindly accept Fred Thompson.


65 posted on 06/24/2007 9:49:22 AM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: rob21
STRAWMAN ALERT!

I don’t think that I will lose my FR membership over my lack of fred worship.

END STRAWMAN ALERT!

66 posted on 06/24/2007 9:50:29 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: Petronski

Not just one person, genius. So far I’ve been called an idiot, I’ve been called a terrorist, I’ve had people attempt to get me banned. This is all from different people. The only thing that they have in common is that they fanatically support Fred Thompson.


67 posted on 06/24/2007 9:51:20 AM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: rob21
Wow. I’m promoting terrorism by opposing Fred Thompson?

Nope, you are promoting the destruction of our sovereign nation by focusing on a POTUS election via a single issue that is already a part of our laws.

It's not my directive to take the shovel out of your grave digging hand however.

Speak on, it's your grave...

68 posted on 06/24/2007 9:52:21 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: rob21
Not just one person, genius.

One person said those things about terrorism, and you cited it as an example of how Fred supporters think. Very poor effort at logic there.

69 posted on 06/24/2007 9:53:05 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: Petronski

You’ll note that I haven’t tried to report any of your nonsense, even though I probably could.

I would rather see this be a thread where we can talk about Fred Thompson’s stance on abortion, but I guess that’s impossible with all of the fredbots around here.


70 posted on 06/24/2007 9:53:48 AM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: rob21
Why shouldn’t we care what he said? If he wants to run for president, then he needs to be held accountable for his past statements.

Because his past statements were not a full endorsement of abortion rights although they are ambiguous and the anti-Fred folks are interpreting them as such. Anyway, those statements are voided considering his voting record and current statements on abortion.

I don’t think that I will lose my FR membership over my lack of fred worship. This is a conservative site and we don’t all have to blindly accept Fred Thompson.

Nice strawman, but it's not about that. You are selectively cutting and pasting old remarks made by Thompson and construing them as pro-abortion, and that's against the Forum rules here. I don't care if you don't support Fred, just don't lie about his record.

71 posted on 06/24/2007 9:54:27 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Petronski

Yes, it is.


72 posted on 06/24/2007 9:56:03 AM PDT by Politicalmom ("Mom, I'll be old enough to vote for Fred when he runs for his second term." -My Son. (I'm proud))
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To: Petronski

My exact quote:

“I think that everyone needs to read this thread so that they can see just how the fredbots really think. This is really scary.”

This was in response to the many bizarre statements that the fredbots have made in this thread.

Stop trying to spin my post in support of your twisted agenda, which I guess is to get all non-fredbots banned.


73 posted on 06/24/2007 9:56:18 AM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: rob21
You’ll note that I haven’t tried to report any of your nonsense, even though I probably could.

Report it all. There's nothing of interest in my words, except effectively smashing your strawmen and smears...I agree, that part has been remarkable.

When you say "I would rather see this be a thread where we can talk about Fred Thompson’s stance on abortion," you left out "honestly." I love threads that honestly talk about Fred Thompson's stance on abortion.

Shabby smearjobs on good conservatives, though, that's another creature entirely.


74 posted on 06/24/2007 9:56:53 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: rob21
My exact quote:

Incomplete. That's a partial quote.

75 posted on 06/24/2007 9:57:32 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“You are selectively cutting and pasting old remarks made by Thompson and construing them as pro-abortion, and that’s against the Forum rules here. I don’t care if you don’t support Fred, just don’t lie about his record.”

The statements ARE pro-abortion. There is no way for them to be construed otherwise.

Now I can see that you are trying really hard to get me banned or something, but how can you keep accusing me of lying about his record? I have never claimed that he has a pro-choice voting record, I only claimed that he made pro-choice statements in the past, which is true.


76 posted on 06/24/2007 9:58:35 AM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: rob21
I would rather see this be a thread where we can talk about Fred Thompson’s stance on abortion, but I guess that’s impossible with all of the fredbots around here.

It doesn't take being a fredbot to see the disarray in your postings via single issue stance when it comes to the elections for POTUS.

77 posted on 06/24/2007 9:59:55 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: rob21
I would rather see this be a thread where we can talk about Fred Thompson’s stance on abortion, but I guess that’s impossible with all of the fredbots around here.

You don't want to talk about Fred's current stance on abortion, you'd rather focus on the ambiguous, libertarian statements Fred made on abortion back in 1994, which still represented the mainstream of the pro-life movement back then.

All you're doing is grasping at straws.

78 posted on 06/24/2007 10:00:00 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: rob21

The problem with your main point is that Fred DIDN’T FILL OUT THAT FORM.

An aide did it.


79 posted on 06/24/2007 10:00:21 AM PDT by Politicalmom ("Mom, I'll be old enough to vote for Fred when he runs for his second term." -My Son. (I'm proud))
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To: Petronski

LOL.

Look at my full quote. When did I claim that he was indicative of all fredbots? You are getting really desperate with these one-liners.


80 posted on 06/24/2007 10:00:24 AM PDT by rob21 (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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