Posted on 06/24/2007 7:54:42 AM PDT by rob21
We are holding Rudy and Mitt to the fire about their past on abortion. Lets not forget Fred Thompson.
Abortions should be legal in all circumstances as long as the procedure is completed within the first trimester of the pregnancy. Link
A very strong statement from Fred Thompson when he was running for congress.
That is how people debate my FRiend. Now, you began this discussion with me, I have never associated you with Rob21. I do take issue with how you characterized my statements to Rob21, which by the way, were not addressed to you. I clearly made my case back to you without any insults and with actual quotes and facts, which you have chosen to ignore or pretend they don't exist.
It is YOU who needs to back off. And why you keep copying Jim Robinson on your messages to me is, well, suspicious. If JimRob has a problem with my posts, I'm sure he'll tell me.
Where in any of my posts do I not encourage debate or disallow questions?
Again, I'm not even a Thompson supporter, no more or less than I am a Duncan Hunter supporter.
If you would take the time to actually read all of my posts, you would see that to be the case.
Or are you just trying to pick a fight? Don't waste your time, or mine.
I can only speak for myself.
I am not anti-Thompson.
Show me one of my posts to the contrary.
My reply to you said..."I must take issue with many of your statements, at least as it relates to my posts and replies to Rob21. "
You chose to delete the "my posts and replies" and tried to make it seem like I was accusing you of something by saying..."You say you take issue with my statements, at least as it relates to ‘rob21’."
Very tricky. Nice try.
Show me where I accused you of anything,please.
I clearly made my case back to you without any insults and with actual quotes and facts, which you have chosen to ignore or pretend they don't exist.
I didn't comment on them because I don't speak for anyone but me.
It is YOU who needs to back off.
That's not gonna happen.
And why you keep copying Jim Robinson on your messages to me is, well, suspicious.
Is it?. You've been around long enough to know that it is customary and common courtesy to ping a person when you use their name in a post. Yes?
Where in any of my posts do I not encourage debate or disallow questions?
That was a generalization, as my grammar clearly demonstrates, and not meant specifically for you.Or are you just trying to pick a fight?
No, but am I sensing from you a hint of persecution complex?
mr airbag, please just blow away, or at least improve your reading and comprehension skills before you thrust yourself into someone else’s conversation.
Good come back!
Well, close to average, anyhow.
Try capitalizing the first word in a sentence once in a while.
You’d be surprised how much better your posts look.
Well said. The executive experience is very important.
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What Kool-Aid have you been drinking that you think a guy who changed his mind two years ago after trying to prove he’s more pro-abortion than Ted Kennedy is some major pro-life champion just because he’s from Mass? Hey, you don’t trust Fred on this issue, then whatever, but you are drinking the kool-aid if you think Romney’s credible.
Thanks for the link!
Yeah I read them, and I'm not buying his male bovine feces.
Imagine if somebody did this same thing to Hunter. Imagine that they found some statement that he might not even have penned, that his local right to life orgs say couldn't possibly reflect his true views, yet there it is in black and white. "I think the government has no role in the abortion decision" or something like that, with Duncan Hunter's name on it. And then said blowhard says "Gee, I know he has a pro-life record, but I'm so very concerned by these pro-life statements. After all, he might just be pandering to his district and we'll se a different guy in the White House." And then imagine when people tell him that it's dumb to doubt Hunter on pro-life issues, he starts whining that he's being oppressed, and that he's not being allowed to question the great Duncan.
Would you tolerate that crap? I wouldn't, and I don't think we should tolerate it just because the guy who did it likes Hunter. Oh, and if the abortion example doesn't get my point across, imagine some slime using a picture of Hunter and Duke Cunningham acting chummy as an excuse to express is "deep concerns" that Hunter might have been involved in bribery. I wouldn't tolerate that crap, either.
Did I say that Mitt Romney was a pro-life champion? I think it's fine for you to wait a day to reply to my post, but if you're going to wait that long, please take a little more time so that you can read my post before you respond. I never said that Mitt Romney was a pro-life champion, and I don't see him as a pro-life champion.
Hey, you don’t trust Fred on this issue, then whatever, but you are drinking the kool-aid if you think Romney’s credible.
As I said then and repeat now, I don't think either Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney has ever been willing to stand up and pay a price for taking a principled stand on the abortion issue. As a candidate, Fred Thompson was quiet about where he stood on the issue. In the senate, he had a solid pro-life voting record, but if he hadn't voted pro-life, he might not have been able to win re-election in Tennessee. On the other hand, Mitt Romney ran in a state where anything less than nominal support for abortion would eliminate him as a candidate. He gave that nominal support to abortion as a candidate and then did what he could to defend life in office.
You seem to be insisting that I must applaud one of these candidates as a pro-life champion and jeer the other as an enemy. I refuse to play that game. My position is that each of them has taken the stands that he needed to take to be elected in the state where he lived. Neither is a hero or a villain. In office, I think either of them would try to advance the pro-life cause as much as possible over the next four years. Even if I assume that Mr. Thompson is more pro-life in his feelings, the record suggests that Mr. Romney can accomplish more as an executive.
Bill
Opposing the HLA does not mean one is not a pro-lifer, or any less of a pro-lifer than those who support HLA. It means they are backing a different set of tactics.
Go ahead and back some also-ran instead of a man with an outstanding pro-life record and an articulate way of describing the crucial issues of life and death. If we end up with a pro-choicer for a nominee, don't come crying to me when he (or Hillary) appoints a couple of Supremes early in the first term and they're both pro-aborts. It's time for some of us in the pro-life community to grow up and realize that movements like this are about addition, not division and hair splitting.
Wow. A whole day. And you didn’t even address my posts.
But, since that is so, please provide me with these supposed “articulate descriptions of issues of life and death” from Mr. Thompson.
I’m not supporting anybody right now, btw. But, I won’t be bullied into supporting someone that I believe will be Bush redux or worse, either.
What I was talking about was that it's not a matter of debate whether Fred Thompson is a pro-lifer, but dishonest anklebiters continue to act as though he's a closet abortionist. I didn't mean no one should ever talkm about the parts of his record they don't like.
You know, I’m just going to ignore you from here on out becuse you used the word bullying. Well, I don’t have the time or the inclination to comne over to your house and give you a swirly until you support Fred, so keep your ludicrous bullying accusations to yourself.
As one who doesn't even think a HLA would be necessary, if we had judges and chief executives who could understand plain English, I think that's fine.
But, when you combine Mr. Thompson's opposition to it with the fact that he thinks it's fine for states to continue killing babies if they want, that's a deal-breaker.
He doesn't seem to understand the most important of all concepts: that of the God-given and unalienable right to life, and the fact that all children, everywhere in America, are entitled to that protection.
Get over it. Debunked and explained a million and a half times.
That, sir, is political bullying. Face it. It's no different than the tactics the Giuliani supporters tried here for months.
Wake up and realize that conservatives by the droves are in no mood for any more of that crap.
But, if you must run away from this conversation, like you did yesterday, go for it. I don't care.
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