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Young Marines on Trial, Older Marines Say Enough!
Conservative Thoughts ^ | 6-18-07 | kathywms

Posted on 06/18/2007 6:14:17 PM PDT by pinkpanther111

Three Marines in the Camp Pendleton brig will soon reach their thirteenth month of pretrial confinement. These men are Marines and will not flee. They should not be detained any longer before their trials in the Hamdania case.

Several of the members of K/3/5 Pendleton 8, stated they were refused the right to have an attorney present while being interrogated in Iraq. Miranda is applicable under military law: MRE 305(d)(1)(A). Their “confessions” were illegally obtained and should be inadmissible.

Over the past several months, Marines have sworn in court that their statements had been falsified by NCIS agents. In the Lt. Nathan Phan case, crucial exculpatory evidence was destroyed in NCIS custody.

As the Haditha hearings unfold, we learned late last week that murder charges were preferred against LCpl. Justin Sharratt solely on the basis of Iraqi hearsay testimony. LCpl. Sharratt passed a polygram yet it was Iraqi testimony, not a Marine lance corporal’s word, that was called “consistent and truthful”.

Many Marines have had enough.

Captain Don Greenlaw, Marine mustang, has led an e-mail campaign. He has asked retired Marines to express their concerns directly to Lt. Gen. Mattis and his chief legal counsel, Lt. Col. Riggs.

There are only two rules:
1. Do not be disrespectful.
2. Do not use any profanity.
Here are some examples of e-mails sent:
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LtCol Riggs:

I, for one, have a strapping young grandson, who lives here in Oceanside and, at this point in time, I would not recommend that he join the Corps. If this everlasting circus going on with K/3/1 & K/3/5 continues much longer, the Commandant is going to experience rough days ahead on recruiting and I don't think these huge bonus' he's offering will entice these young, very intelligent, Marines to extend or reenlist, as we did years ago, when we were sure our leaders were watching our 6'oclock & not locking us up for doing the job we enlisted to do and that is to fight this country's wars.

When I read some of these articles where the Prosecutor gets some witness on the stand and they discuss bullet holes in the heads of civilians, etc., that tells me that the Prosecutor or the witness has never been in a fire fight with lead flying all around you. You put a weapon on full automatic and start firing at enemy positions that you are receiving fire from and some innocents are bound to get killed. War is hell. Some body ought to educate this Mr. Parks, the DOD expert, who supposedly wrote the "rules of war". Give this Mr. Parks an M-16 & Flak Jacket, send him in- country, put him on the line with the Sgt's, Cpl's, Pfc's & 2ndLt's and let's see what he can do. I think he will come back and re-write the book. I've attended 3 or 4 of these hearings and the Bacos trial. Very rarely, if ever, do you see a Defense Counsel get up and object or do anything. It has all appearances of a well scripted Broadway Play.

It would now appear we have lost two good 2nd Lt's. First, it was Patano and if Phan is smart, he will resign his commission. His career has now been wrecked by thoughtless actions of those who should have stood by his side. V/R & S/F,
Don Greenlaw Captain,
USMC(Ret'd) Marine Mustang
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Dear LtCol Riggs,

I have always been on the firing line touting our Marine Corps to young folks wherever I go and encouraging them to enlist in the finest. I have to admit that I have not been doing that for over a year now - quite frankly, have been very po'd off about the way the Haditha Marines have been treated and think its a damned shame - it seems like they are getting railroaded and have been since the very beginning. There are two young folks that I visit with at the local grocery store (Sprouts) and they see me with my MC shirts and covers and are continually asking me about whether or not they should join the Corps. I have not been very encouraging in light of the forementioned.

I served in Korea during 1952 with E 2 7, 1st Mar Div as a machine gunner receiving a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart. I guarantee you we had great leadership back then - very firm but also always taking care of us. Semper Fidelis,
Troy Watson
www.e27Marines-1stMarDiv.org
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ColRiggs:
Sir,

I am a former Marine Sgt.who saw action in Korea including stints on Bunker Hill, Reno, Carson and Vegas. I am familiar with the ROEs and believe me when you are fighting any enemy, you must engage when fired upon. We did not have the same restrictions as today’s troops have.

I am the Sr. Vice Commander with the Orange county D.A.V. Org. I am also a member of two Marine Clubs and the reunion coordinator for,B-1-1-1 vets.

In my daily communications with combat Marine veterans, I have yet to find one that is not appalled at the treatment of the Haditha Marines and spouses.

First, it appears that they were convicted before they got back from Iraq. Yes, convicted by Congressman Murtha, and the press. I still remember seeing, LtCol Chessani holding his new baby when they returned. He wasn't allowed to finish his leave before being releaved of duty for lack of confidence. I have spoken to most of his troops before and after deployment and they would follow him to hell as I would. This is such a tragedy. When did the Corp. start eating it's own? This is too political. I am afraid of what is happening to our Corp. I am sure that recruiting will be affected because of, "lack of confidence."

The young men volunteering to extend their deployment is commendable, but I am afraid it is out of loyalty to their buddies and not to the Corp.

Sir, I apologize for rambling but my feelings are strong, as are those of my friends.

We know and respect Gen. Mattis and his fine reputation as a excellent and fair leader. If possible, I would appreciate it if you would forward this letter to him on his return. I know the ultimate decisions on this whole trial event will end up in his hands.

It is my sincere feelings that he will make the correct judgment on these men.

I know there must be alot of political pressure on this case, but as a group of combat vets we all believe this whole thing was a farce and unjust to all Marines.

Lets correct this in the name of justice.

God bless these men and our Corp.

S/F
Respectfully,
Harry D.Brunke,former Sgt. USMC
Sr. Vice Commander
D.A.V.Orange County,Chapter 23
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The disservice and damage the MSM and Rep John Murtha have done to the Armed Forced and to the Haditha Marines in particular is shameful. Equally shameful is the Marine Corps reluctance to take care of their own.

Military members and family: Please take a few moments to express your concerns about this case to Col Riggs and Gen. Mattis at kathywms111@gmail.com. All emails will be packaged together and forwarded to Col. Riggs and General Mattis.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: article32; haditha; marines
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1 posted on 06/18/2007 6:14:24 PM PDT by pinkpanther111
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To: pinkpanther111
Each of these men d*mn well better walk free - I belive they will. Each should have been serving with their Marine brothers for over the past year -
2 posted on 06/18/2007 6:21:17 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: 4woodenboats; aculeus; American Cabalist; AmericanYankee; AndrewWalden; Antoninus; AliVeritas; ...

3 posted on 06/18/2007 6:35:47 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend our Marines)
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To: RedRover

This boils my blood. Whichever idiot decided to confine these men needs to be beaten like a red headed stepchild.


4 posted on 06/18/2007 6:46:30 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pinkpanther111; All
BTW, this article is posted over at RealClearPolitics. If you like it, and think more people should see it, go at the link and give it a "vote". It can make the front page during high traffic times.
5 posted on 06/18/2007 7:13:50 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend our Marines)
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To: pinkpanther111
Many Marines have had enough.

Count me in.... "ENOUGH!"

The biggest disappointment in this whole disgraceful fiasco is Mattis, in my opinion.
You really don't expect any better from the rest of those clowns, and certainly not from the scumbag ACLU lawyers of JAG or their lying flunkies at NCIS. But Mattis - - him I expected better from.

6 posted on 06/18/2007 7:27:16 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: pinkpanther111

Well done, pinkpanther....I didn’t realize they were still in the brig...shame on me.


7 posted on 06/18/2007 7:51:54 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: pinkpanther111
These Marines of Me Lies will go down in the annuls of Marine Legends besides those of Iwo Jima. Their courage and bravery is now becoming known.

Pray for W and Our Brave Marines

8 posted on 06/18/2007 9:00:22 PM PDT by bray (The co-clintons freed more bombers then they caught)
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To: pinkpanther111

Bump! for a great article.


9 posted on 06/18/2007 9:18:51 PM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Lancey Howard
"Many Marines have had enough.
Count me in.... "ENOUGH!"

Don't gotta be a Marine.

10 posted on 06/18/2007 9:51:31 PM PDT by norton
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To: norton
Another vote for...

ENOUGH!

And a thumbs down for the posturing generals for failing their men.

11 posted on 06/18/2007 10:35:01 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: RedRover

Perhaps what many of us have wanted to see happen is now underway. Obviouse to us is Mattis holds the ultimate key.


12 posted on 06/19/2007 7:46:29 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: pinkpanther111

Good way to tie in the three cases - Hamdania, Hsditha, Hamdania II (Phan). I hope more retired Marines take the time to respectfully write to Lt. Gen. Mattis and his legal counsel to express their concerns.

Good job!


13 posted on 06/19/2007 7:54:59 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene

Yes! We need emails!!!! The current leadership needs to know what we really think about these cases....

I think the more participation we get the more effective our message will be!


14 posted on 06/19/2007 8:44:24 AM PDT by pinkpanther111 (They were doing their jobs!!! Defend our Marines)
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To: pinkpanther111; RedRover; jazusamo; Girlene; lilycicero; freema; smoothsailing

From the mailbag:

Dear Generals:

It has come to my attention that the Marine Corps instead of shielding it’s men has taken to destroying them in courtmartial proceedings.

The Haditha Marines have gone into battle for me and they have now been second guessed by the Marine Corp. at the behest of the Rep. Murtha who has taken great joy in hoodwinking the Marine Corp.

This eating of your own will destroy your ability to attract our brave citizens to the battle. When I was on active duty, we were never like this. I am embarrassed for you.

H. W.
LT USN (honorably discharged)


15 posted on 06/19/2007 2:14:30 PM PDT by pinkpanther111 (They were doing their jobs!!! Defend our Marines)
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To: pinkpanther111

Excellent, pink! Keep those cards and letters coming, folks!


16 posted on 06/19/2007 2:24:00 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend our Marines)
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To: pinkpanther111

Short and to the point. Interesting observations by a Lt. USN.


17 posted on 06/19/2007 2:54:49 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: pissant

Red headed stepchildren are sweet! The idiot needs to be beaten like an Islamic woman who went out without her head covered.


18 posted on 06/19/2007 3:43:31 PM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema

I live for your insight!


19 posted on 06/19/2007 3:49:07 PM PDT by lilycicero (SSgt Wuterich did a bravo zulu job.)
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To: freema

LOL. Or like rapper’s aging coke whore groupie.


20 posted on 06/19/2007 3:49:31 PM PDT by pissant
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