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1 posted on 05/16/2007 6:19:49 PM PDT by magellan
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To: magellan

Where did this RINO come from? Makes about as much sense as Sen. Voinovich crying when Bolton was trying to get confirmed. Haven’t we drummed most of these bums out?


2 posted on 05/16/2007 6:23:23 PM PDT by laweeks
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It’s pretty ridiculous to blame American policies for something islam has been doing for well over a thousand years.


3 posted on 05/16/2007 6:26:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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I agree with your assessment and came to the same conclusion while watching the debate - he violated a CRITICAL logical precept of libertarianism.

In one breath he says that middle-eastern thinking is irrational (which I agree with - I wouldn't shed a tear if the entire ME was nuked to oblivion tomorrow, and I think nation building of any sort is a terrible waste and terrible policy), and in the next breath he states that we should consider the reasons they have for attacking us????? There is a heap of cognitive dissonance going on there. Retire old man - you are officially doing the adherents of liberty a disservice by associating us with your kooky hate-America foreign policy views that aren't even internally logically consistent.

There is nothing in their "mentality" to understand, they are barbarians pure and simple. No reason or justification is available for 9/11. America did not ask for it and shares no responsibility for the actions of insane religious fanatics in sand-land. Moral culpability (something I extend to insane people btw) is entirely in their hands, not ours. To say that we are in any way culpable is an affront to both morality and logic, akin to Islamic headgear-wearing short-bus rejects blaming the rape victim for dressing suggestively. It is one of the highest violations of libertarian and conservative thought to turn the guilty party into the victim.

I agree that it would be best if America had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MIDDLE EAST. I support non-interventionist foreign policy, disagreed with the invasion of Iraq, and don't care about 3rd world dictators cutting off the hands of their political opponents (in the sense that I do not think it is the American government's job to do something about it). The caveman understood fear and respected power - I don't know how much higher we can climb up the rationality tree when dealing with certain cultures.

See, I think the neocons are full of s**t too, I can't stand them, never could, they are a disease on conservatism. But the moment Ron Paul shifted to America an OUNCE of moral culpability for what was wrought on 9/11, we parted ways in our opposition to certain aspects of foreign policy. 9/11 can in no way be construed as an act of self-defense on behalf of the camel rapists, and if it could I would concede the point. Ron Paul has lost his mind, and it is a shame considering the way most others in government treat the Constitution like toilet paper..

4 posted on 05/16/2007 6:27:02 PM PDT by M203M4 (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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Perhaps, but he's the face of the libertarian movement.

And a very ugly face.

And Mike Badnarik was another Al-Queda loving libertarian.

5 posted on 05/16/2007 6:27:17 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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Losertarian


6 posted on 05/16/2007 6:28:45 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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He isn’t a Libertarian.

He is a Log Cabin Republican.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1831372/posts
2004 - Log Cabin Congratulates Our Victorious Candidates (2004)


8 posted on 05/16/2007 6:36:23 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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You are being foolish.

You are now projecting your own confusion onto Ron Paul.

Paul restated the official doctrine of the US DoD, FBI, and CIA. Paul was rehashing the conclusions of the 9/11 Commission Report, and a host of other analysts conclusions, many of which are footnotes in the 9/11 report. Paulwas restating US Military doctrine as taught in West Point and the Naval War College for the last half century. This isn’t some amazing new revelation.

Rudy also went out of his way to lie his ass off in front of the Republican base last night.

And you fell for his schlock song and dance just as he expected most of the uninformed base would.

You need to go back and read up on the last 110+ years of foreign intervention in the Middle East.


9 posted on 05/16/2007 6:39:59 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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Ron Paul reminds me of a-holes like Bill Maher.


11 posted on 05/16/2007 6:42:58 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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Ron Paul is a one percenter. He has no chance of winning.
14 posted on 05/16/2007 7:17:04 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (Run, Fred, run!)
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I don’t follow your logic. If you park a cadillac on the streets of harlem with the keys in the ignition, and the next morning it is gone, are you saying that a libertarian can’t say to you “if you didn’t leave the car on the street with the key in the ignition this wouldn’t have happened?”


16 posted on 05/16/2007 7:45:14 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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..a classic protest candidate--he possesses some sound political positions--but it is mixed with a lot of goofy ideas

Last night he just blew a hole in the bottom of his rubber raft in the eyes of any serious voters.

The "seminar poll voters" and people who would vote for a Jessie Ventura are not going to be sufficient to get him anywhere near the nomination.

It is time to trim the field--Dr. Paul, it is time to go home...

22 posted on 05/16/2007 7:57:10 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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So in essence what Mr. Ron Paul is saying is that
if we allowed Saddam Hussein to take over half of the
Middle East and commit genocide on the Shiites and
Kurds Osama bin Laden would be happy?

Thereby preventing the 9/11 attack?

Let a genocidal maniac take over the Middle East and murder 1/3
of it’s population and we would be fine?

33 posted on 05/16/2007 9:02:54 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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No, you miss the point. He IS the face of libertarianism. It is a disease and little better than liberalism as Ayn Rand said. You may think you are a libertarian but my guess is you are just a laisse faire conservative like myself - or if you like a classical liberal.

Look at what libertarians like Lew Rockwell and Ron Paul promote. Go to say the Austrian Economic Forum website and talk politics with some libertarians there. They are against any sort of pre-emption whatsoever. They are obsessed with taking the constitution on non-interventionism and extrapolating a blame America first philosophy from it.

34 posted on 05/17/2007 12:06:19 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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All he’s saying is that US foreign policy is often counterproductive and that our 50+ year support of dictators in the area and hurtful meddlings has contributed to some of the amosity against the United States.

I don’t see what is so revelational about it...


42 posted on 05/17/2007 7:44:59 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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ron paul on 9/11:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul174.html

(I don’t agree with all of what he says in there, but there are some good things, providing some background for his thoughts on this.)


43 posted on 05/17/2007 7:46:49 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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