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Video: Betrayal at Little Big Horn, the evidence
Video ^ | 05/10/07 | drzz

Posted on 05/10/2007 5:43:50 AM PDT by drzz

This is the sequel to the other videos about Custer's Last Stand, and how Custer was betrayed by his subordinates in the battle during one the most famous disaster in US military history.


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To: drzz

Everything else I said is true. They died of Custer’s miscalculation of the enemy forces and some bad management decisions, including how Custer related to his officers.

Underestimating the enemy is always a bad thing.

Getting seriously outflanked is also a bad thing.

Doing it when undermanned in an indefensible location is a bad thing too...


21 posted on 05/10/2007 5:58:38 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Red Badger
I actually see at least three Lakota with firearms....Two long guns, one with pistol.

Disclaimer: I wear bifocals..so maybe I'm not seeing what you are seeing. lol!!

FRegards,

22 posted on 05/10/2007 5:58:54 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Hillary's heart is blacker than the devil's riding boots......................)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

That was key. He didn’t realize it was a war village, nor the size of it. He needed to believe his intelligence and get more before acting.


23 posted on 05/10/2007 5:59:49 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Obie Wan

The Indians had a so poor organization that they were surprised twice during the battle and suffered great friendly fire.

Previous US victories in the Plains were Adobe Walls or Beecher’s Island, which opposed 50 soldiers to 1’500 warriors.

Custer’s 647 men COULD defeat 1’500 warriors, it would be a hard fight but a possible victory, and US general in chief Nelson A Miles clearly said it.


24 posted on 05/10/2007 6:00:21 AM PDT by drzz
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To: drzz

Interesting video, but really presents no real “PROOF” of anything other than Benteen didn’t choose to commit suicide.


25 posted on 05/10/2007 6:00:51 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Underestimating the enemy is always a bad thing.

Getting seriously outflanked is also a bad thing.

Doing it when undermanned in an indefensible location is a bad thing too...

All lessons that the German Sixth Army re-learned at Stalingrad, 65 years later.

26 posted on 05/10/2007 6:01:22 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Red Badger
beside what other folks have written here, Custer had the option to take along Gatling guns...
...he felt towing caissons lessened a cavalry detachment.

also he did not want to carry two types of ammo...the older 50-70 Ammo for the Gatling's and the newer 45-70 ammo for the Model 1873 Trapdoor Springfield Rifles/Carbines. Bringing the Gatlings could have made a difference. Also the Army brass didnt like the idea of wasting ammo in repeating rifles so even though the Henry and Spencer repeating rifles were used by Union forces in the Civil War, they were put out of business after the war. For long range high power shooting the Trapdoor Springfield was the superior weapon, but for fighting the close-in guerrilla tactics of the Indians, it was way to slow. the Indians put their repeaters to good use.

27 posted on 05/10/2007 6:01:52 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

It is not true, sorry.

Custer said that he would find 1’500 warriors, and there were 1’500 warriors.

Caryz Horse never flanked Custer, Custer died by waiting for Benteen and Reno after a two-hours battle.

The location wasn’t indefensible, the took a stand for more than two hours there.


28 posted on 05/10/2007 6:01:53 AM PDT by drzz
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To: Red Badger

IIRC, they had bows and arrows too.


29 posted on 05/10/2007 6:02:43 AM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: Vaquero

Gatling guns were far too heavy for a cavalry unit. Impossible to take them along.


30 posted on 05/10/2007 6:03:01 AM PDT by drzz
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To: Red Badger

“The Lakota had repeating rifles, not bows and arrows, as in that painting. The Army had single shot rifles and Colt sidearms. They never had a prayer.......”

Yep. Custer was badly outgunned, something most don’t realize. And it was primarily his own fault.

Never did understand the odd notion of chasing ‘glory’ from that era.


31 posted on 05/10/2007 6:03:19 AM PDT by Badeye (If you can't take a response, don't post in an open forum is my advice.)
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To: drzz
I suppose he also didn’t leave the gatling guns behind either?
32 posted on 05/10/2007 6:03:29 AM PDT by sticker
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To: GoldenPup

Watch General Miles’ study of the battle (1877-1898):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6tFXzvKJTc


33 posted on 05/10/2007 6:03:58 AM PDT by drzz
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To: sticker

“I suppose he also didn’t leave the gatling guns behind either?”

One of those ‘what ifs’ you can debate forever.


34 posted on 05/10/2007 6:04:49 AM PDT by Badeye (If you can't take a response, don't post in an open forum is my advice.)
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To: drzz
Gatling guns were far too heavy for a cavalry unit. Impossible to take them along.

yup! Thats what Custer said.

35 posted on 05/10/2007 6:05:20 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: sticker

Terry took the Gatlings with him, he was late at Little Big Horn and his entire column suffered because of the Gatling, which were also known as poor weapons, which didn’t impress Indians because they never worked well.


36 posted on 05/10/2007 6:05:28 AM PDT by drzz
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To: Verginius Rufus

This is search engine coordination.

This is beyond Dan Rather cherry picking the stories, this is now a way to create blocks which are triggered automatically in any random search.

It is akin to “miserable failure” manipulations of google searches.


37 posted on 05/10/2007 6:05:35 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Vaquero

No, that was historians say. That what US general in chief Nelson A Miles said.


38 posted on 05/10/2007 6:06:08 AM PDT by drzz
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To: drzz

Yes, I know. But this is a political website, and to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.


39 posted on 05/10/2007 6:06:55 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

I just want to present an historical study about the Little Big Horn.

If I was presenting it on a liberal website, the entire debate would be “can we ever honor a US soldier” etc.

I hope that posting on a conservative website will bring more serious comments, because you are patriots and always ready to look carefully at the facts, especially if a US soldier like Custer was tarnished for a disaster he didn’t cause.

Watch:
http://www.custerwest.org (website in English/French with facts and videos)

VIDEOS: US General in chief Miles on Little Big Horn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6tFXzvKJTc
The Little Big Horn case (I): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKeTsG2JpQA
The Little Big Horn case (II) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lwpHpq-iP0
The real story of Washita: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4534E1cCLyQ


40 posted on 05/10/2007 6:09:06 AM PDT by drzz
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