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ISMAIL AK (not AX): Possible lead in Virginia Tech case?
April 17, 2007 | Charles Henrickson

Posted on 04/17/2007 8:28:56 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson

ISMAIL AK

Dr. ISMAIL AK is a Professor of Psychiatry at a university in Turkey. His research interests include the following:

Personal Disorders, Agresivve behavior and self-mutilation, ECT, Substance-related disorders, Sexual Disorders, Forensic Psychiatry, Sleep Disorders

From the Turkish Association of Psychopharmacology website:

President-elect:
Professor Ismail AK, M.D. Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey
Ismail AK is Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey
He is an experienced on clinical psychopharmacology of schizophrenia and bipolar disorders.

Dr. Ismail Ak is one of the authors of an article about patients with mental disorders, psychotic features, etc.:

As regards pharmacotherapies, 354 (50.2%) were given antidepressants. . . . Among antidepressants, Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) were 72.8%. . . .

This is an abstract of an article co-written by Dr. ISMAIL AK:

Even though all psychiatric disorders do not have the same potential with regard to committing a crime, the number of individuals having psychiatric disorders is gradually going up depending on the increase of crimes and violent behaviors committed in a society. . . . The relation between existence of psychiatric disorder and crime behavior has been significantly emphasized in several earlier studies. In conclusion, it is notable that the rates of committing crime for the individuals with psychiatric disorders are on the rise.

Dr. Ismail Ak is apparently one of the world's leading experts on the psychiatry of antisocial and suicidal behavior, psychotic and bipolar disorders, psychopharmacological therapy, etc.

The young man had been noticed to be disturbed and had been referred to counseling. Dr. Ismail Ak is an expert and author in the particular field most directly related to the guy's disorder.

So it's possible that the writing on the guy's arm said

ISMAIL AK

and the K was written in a way that people *thought* it said

ISMAIL AX

That seems more likely to me than a connection to Moby Dick or to Islamic terrorism or to Cooper’s story.

This is an angle the investigators need to pursue with the school's counseling service, the killer's computer, and Dr. Ismail Ak himself.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: ax; banglist; cho; coincidence; guncontrol; guns; ismail; ismailak; ismailax; ismale; massacre; psychiatry; rkba; shooter; vatech; virginiatech
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To: Charles Henrickson
I just figured out what CSI really stands for: Charles Henrickson Investigator.

If the Ismail Ak connection pans out, police departments around the country should use you to analyze cryptic crime notes or longer material. I know the Unabomber's brother turned him in but if he didn't then someone good at word analysis could have looked at the Unabomber's published rantings and given some insight into who he was. Of course, that might have led to the arrest of Al Gore since their writings are almost identical.

CSI: Charles Henrickson Investigator.

61 posted on 04/18/2007 7:32:14 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: PJ-Comix

DUhhhhh... Charles Henrickson Investigator doesn’t equate with CSI. DUhhhhhh... Okay, make it CHI. A new show that will compete with CSI.


62 posted on 04/18/2007 7:33:46 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: Charles Henrickson

All good points.


63 posted on 04/18/2007 8:00:31 AM PDT by jdm
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To: Charles Henrickson

I think we need to explore the possibilities, because it’s very doubtful that the FBI or the press will do so.

But I have two problems with this.

1) Ismail Ak has no known connection with Cho, and is not widely known in America so far as I know.

2) Even if he were Cho’s psychiatrist, why would a crazed killer write his psychiatrist’s name on his arm? It doesn’t seem at all likely. What such people write on their arms or tattoo on their bodies is some emblem that they take as their model or ideal, not their controller. A demon, a dragon, a naked lady, a hero, something that represents the kind of image they want to project.


64 posted on 04/18/2007 8:07:58 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: PJ-Comix

Glad I happened across this story!


65 posted on 04/18/2007 8:09:31 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: PJ-Comix

Yes, that sermon is in Melville’s book, and the director was a genius for putting it in the movie that way. Most directors would say, “Ack, a sermon? Bunch of religious nonsense? Cut!” As it was, I thought it was by far the best thing in the movie.


66 posted on 04/18/2007 8:12:23 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
1) Ismail Ak has no known connection with Cho, and is not widely known in America so far as I know.

I think Cho could have googled "Campus Murders" or some similar phrase and came upon Ismail Ak's name that way. An investigation of Cho's computer records should reveal this if true.

67 posted on 04/18/2007 8:15:28 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: Cicero

That chapel actually exists in New Bedford, CT.


68 posted on 04/18/2007 8:16:01 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: Cicero; PJ-Comix; jdm; Kevmo
Even if he were Cho’s psychiatrist, why would a crazed killer write his psychiatrist’s name on his arm? It doesn’t seem at all likely. What such people write on their arms or tattoo on their bodies is some emblem that they take as their model or ideal, not their controller. A demon, a dragon, a naked lady, a hero, something that represents the kind of image they want to project.

I hear ya. That is a weakness in this hypothesis. However, if Cho had come across the name of this expert on the very psychological problems he was dealing with, and he found the name odd or funny--Cho is known to have played with names--"Ismail Ak" could have morphed into "Ismail Ax," which Cho could have taken as a weaponish nickname for himself.

I know, it's a stretch, but so is every other explanation I've seen.

69 posted on 04/18/2007 8:23:28 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (It's an angle for the investigators to check out, at least.)
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To: shezza

“School officials said Cho posted a deadly warning on a school online forum: “im going to kill people at vtech.”
***Sounds like another classic cry for help. Writing the name of the doctor who shows familiarity with the kind of horrible thoughts he was fighting would be another cry for help, in a sad & sick sort of way.


70 posted on 04/18/2007 9:13:46 AM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: PJ-Comix

Of course, now that you’ve posted that, it will be easy to make the google connection. But the only folks who have access to Cho’s computer searches are the homicide investigators. Not much we can do there as freepers, I suppose.


71 posted on 04/18/2007 9:15:43 AM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Cicero; PJ-Comix
Most directors would say, “Ack, a sermon?"

Or "Ak." Or "Ax." :-)

72 posted on 04/18/2007 9:24:06 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Ax me anything!)
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To: PJ-Comix
If it does turn out to be Ismail Ak then it must have been a powerful connection to actually have the name TATTOOED on the arm.

I haven't seen any news story mention a tattoo. The words were handwritten in red ink, which is a much weaker connection than a tattoo.

73 posted on 04/18/2007 9:41:59 AM PDT by Steve0113 (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -A.L.)
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To: nina0113

ping


74 posted on 04/18/2007 10:19:54 AM PDT by Steve0113 (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -A.L.)
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To: PJ-Comix
i.e. Ask Ak.

Doc Ak.

(I assume Ak is pronounced "AWK").

75 posted on 04/18/2007 10:21:30 AM PDT by nonsporting (<P>)
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To: Steve0113

Very weird, but I’m not conceding yet either.


76 posted on 04/18/2007 10:51:39 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: Charles Henrickson

Alternate speculation follows.

Assuming VT as an engineering school (sorry, I know next to nothing about it) teaches computer science, programming etc, perhaps the shooter had some knowledge of programming? So - again, pure speculation - maybe Ismale Ax meant something to him personnaly as partial computer code. Something along the lines of boolean “Ismale” and machine language “Ax” - accumlated number of a male or some such?

If he was into any kind of Christian religious symbolism or whatever, maybe “the number of a man” meant something to him (see Revelations or wherever it’s from).

Anyways, not to be taken too seriously one way or the other, just idle thoughts.


77 posted on 04/18/2007 10:52:56 AM PDT by JustBreezingThru
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To: Charles Henrickson
Who says it's not AX-you?

Where have you seen this being stated that it was AK and not AX? Did you actually see the writing on his arm to make that statement are is it just conjecture on your part?

78 posted on 04/18/2007 11:25:17 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold

Or not are.


79 posted on 04/18/2007 11:27:22 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold; PJ-Comix; jdm; Kevmo

None of us has seen the writing on his arm. I’m just saying it’s highly coincidental that there should be a published authority on suicidal behavior, psychotropic drugs, depression, etc., with an unusual name so close—even down to the shape and sound of the final letter—to what was written on the arm of a guy who was known to play with names. That to me means it’s an angle that should be explored. It may simply be a huge coincidence, but it wouldn’t hurt to check it out. It makes as much sense as any of the other hypotheses which have been advanced.


80 posted on 04/18/2007 11:34:05 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Ax me anything!)
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