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1 posted on 12/17/2006 5:20:46 AM PST by Nasty McPhilthy
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

Good points, just like why we bother rescuing people at Mt. Everest?


2 posted on 12/17/2006 5:24:07 AM PST by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
I don't think the value of a human life should be judged by ability to pay for one's rescue from danger. What happens to people isn't always within their control. Besides, I don't care for the nasty tone of this column. My hearts go out to the missing climbers and pray for their rescue and their safe return to their families.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

3 posted on 12/17/2006 5:24:16 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

Has anyone thought of the possibility (I offer no opinion) that perhaps these climbers decided to make themselves "missing" and have really not been in danger on the mountain? As you can see, its a great way to get a ton of publicity for people who prior to this were not celebrities, get their 15 minutes of "fame" and maybe write a book and get some speaking opportunities.


4 posted on 12/17/2006 5:24:18 AM PST by laconic
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

We rescue people because it is the right thing to do. If it's about the money, then they can be asked to pay the state back.


5 posted on 12/17/2006 5:26:33 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (The default mode of the heart is set for Drift.)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

We could talk about Miss USA losing her crown then.


6 posted on 12/17/2006 5:26:38 AM PST by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser and Shalit, we are praying for you)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

The writer should do some research before spouting off on something about which he knows nothing:

http://www.americanalpineclub.org/pdfs/MRreal.pdf


8 posted on 12/17/2006 5:28:30 AM PST by randita
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Anyone wanting fo follow this situation from the bird's eye view of fellow mountaineers with experience in the Cascades, try this:

http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/619105/page/0/fpart/1


14 posted on 12/17/2006 5:32:42 AM PST by randita
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

Maybe they're on the trail of the van der Sloots?

/gallows humor


16 posted on 12/17/2006 5:34:13 AM PST by sono (Ted Nugent For UN Ambassador)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

And I'm tired of listening to you so I'll just leave the thread.


18 posted on 12/17/2006 5:36:14 AM PST by Columbine
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"Mountain climbing is a sport for the wealthy who can afford to take weeks off from work to indulge in their expensive hobby."

The writer is a horse's ass.


19 posted on 12/17/2006 5:36:52 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

The families should be billed for the rescue. Payment plans with low interest.

On the positive side, search and rescue are getting valuable experience and training.

I will save my mourning...victims of drunk drivers, children dying and suffering from diseases, inhumane treatment of animals.


20 posted on 12/17/2006 5:38:44 AM PST by mountaineer1997 (Mourn not, but practice rescue skills!)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy; Admin Moderator

Lacking any news content and being pure opinion, this article belongs in Bloggers/Personal.


21 posted on 12/17/2006 5:39:32 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

In strictly economic terms, there is still the benefit of these agencies/organizations getting real-world practice. We can argue about the degree of the benefit, however.


29 posted on 12/17/2006 5:45:04 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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As an adventure book hound, I have some idea of why men go up mountains, and why other men go to rescue them. It's all part of being male and it always was and always will be. Leave it at that.


31 posted on 12/17/2006 5:46:40 AM PST by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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The Yeti ate 'em.

37 posted on 12/17/2006 5:55:55 AM PST by chemicalman (I didn't jump on the bandwagon. It snagged and dragged me for a few miles.)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

Well, I am speechless.

At some level you are of course right.

I guess we should just let them rot up there, or freeze.

But it just feels sooo wrong.


38 posted on 12/17/2006 5:56:17 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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Our society often tries to protect the imbeciles of this country often to a ridiculous degree. You've heard of course of "legislating against stupidity".

My point is this ....where as a society do we draw the line when this so called safety net we offer up is no longer prudent.

Has climbing Mount Hood (even by experienced mountaines) in December crossed that line? Mountain climbing is an dangerous business and climbing a mother like Mt Hood is decidely so. You think not? Talk to a life insurance rep and see how much life insurance costs someone who does this sort of thing regularly. VERY expensive if obtainable at all.It's not because the insurance people believe they're dealing with imbeciles but because the endeavor is "inherently" perilous.

A person who does regular hiking or boating will not be rated up but a person who skydives, cliffdives, mountain climbs etc most definately will because the % likihood of a catastophic accident is significantly greater for people in those groups.

As a society we should say fine, do what you want but their are certain endeavors which, should you choose to engage in, it's is YOUR personal responsibility to cover your own a$$. If a search and rescue is required, you pay.

Let these folks who engage in high risk behaviors self insure. YOU want to dance, YOU pay the band.


41 posted on 12/17/2006 5:58:20 AM PST by traderrob6
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A modest proposal:

No self-respecting proponent of evolution would go off in search of these climbers (or go save the whales for that matter). Any artificial or morals-based disruption in the delicate balance of survival of the fittest is an assault on nature.

Imagine if 200 million years ago most of the Gerrothoraxes got together and decided on moral grounds to prevent any Stenaulorynchuses from getting eaten by the Mandasuchuses and to rescue any Eryopses who got lost hiking around Mt. Vesuveruptus. My goodness, we might not be here today!

Please, let nature runs its course without interference from any do-gooders.
42 posted on 12/17/2006 6:01:20 AM PST by Ahithophel (Padron@Anniversario)
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I've made your comments here before about other rescues. Climbers know the risk. I believe, they have to sign an agreement to pay rescue cost if something should happen. However, when they bring helicopter crews from the Oregon National Guard and military aircraft, it starts getting expensive.
44 posted on 12/17/2006 6:01:45 AM PST by devane617 (It's McCain and a Rat -- Now what?)
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I’m sick of watching the relatives of the missing men on TV praise the courage of the climbers,

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The rescue workers are the brave people in this event. The climbers were seeking recreation.


46 posted on 12/17/2006 6:04:26 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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