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To: nrfcmedia
Mr. Kessler had the audacity to call the use of birth control "an act of selfishness."
Go to Mexico. Take a look at the poor women with 6+ kids they can't feed because The Church condemns contraception. Watch the kids beg/sell gum on the streets to survive. Kessler is a fool.
2 posted on 05/25/2006 9:17:46 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Time for an electoral revolution where the ballot box is the guillotine)
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To: peyton randolph
Go to Mexico. Take a look at the poor women with 6+ kids they can't feed because The Church condemns contraception. Watch the kids beg/sell gum on the streets to survive. Kessler is a fool.

I visited some of the poorest areas of Mexico in the late 1980s and saw lots of kids--mainly happy and smiling, none starving.

Besides, the birthrate in Mexico is now below 3 kids per family and falling. And Mexico is a secular state where the Church is often persecuted.
15 posted on 05/25/2006 9:30:17 PM PDT by Antoninus (Ginty for US Senate -- NJ's primary day is June 6 -- www.gintyforsenate.org)
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To: peyton randolph

Shellfish? Like lobster and crabs?


39 posted on 05/25/2006 9:48:42 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: peyton randolph
Kessler was talking about Minnesota and hypocrites who claim to be faithful Catholics. Why are you talking about Mexico?
44 posted on 05/25/2006 9:52:32 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: peyton randolph
"Take a look at the poor women with 6+ kids they can't feed because The Church condemns contraception"

Yeah, because Mexico shouldn't even bother to improve itself economically or reform it's country with a real market economy. Funny how countries don't have to worry about that sort of stuff when they've got their priorities in order.

And these people are Catholic...that's their religious belief. Tell me, what religeous beliefs do you have? I'm sure I can find something to rip on...
45 posted on 05/25/2006 9:53:33 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: peyton randolph

"But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, Weep not for Me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. For behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck."


71 posted on 05/25/2006 10:08:46 PM PDT by Nihil Obstat
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To: peyton randolph
Go to Mexico. Take a look at the poor women with 6+ kids they can't feed because The Church condemns contraception. Watch the kids beg/sell gum on the streets to survive. Kessler is a fool.

My father grew up on a farm in Ireland, and was number 14 out of 15 kids. The reason why I am alive today is because his parents did not believe in contraception.

95 posted on 05/25/2006 10:31:18 PM PDT by guinnessman
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To: peyton randolph

Why assume that Kessler doesn't want exactly that outcome?


120 posted on 05/25/2006 10:50:45 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: peyton randolph

WOW,, thread hijacked at the 2nd post. Might be a record.


164 posted on 05/26/2006 2:33:22 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: peyton randolph
You go to Mexico and ask those kids if they would rather be alive or not. Their life may not be what you would like it to be, but it's still a life.

This kid was making a point of morality, and his thesis is absolutely correct as far as it goes.
while you on the other hand are trying to wrap your racism in a veil of compassion. Frankly I think you should be ashamed of yourself.
172 posted on 05/26/2006 3:54:29 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: peyton randolph

I guess when God said, "Be fruitful and multiply" he was just making a suggestion.


178 posted on 05/26/2006 6:17:04 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: peyton randolph
on the other hand....look at western societies, and see that our birth rate is below replacement, and to such a degree, that we are in danger of becoming racially extinct....women today are selfish and narcissistic....and men that covet their company are no better....remember: the tribe with the most babies wins, and feminism plus abortion equals genocide....
209 posted on 05/26/2006 7:22:56 AM PDT by thinking
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To: peyton randolph

Actually one would think their inability to stop having rampant sex is the problem.

I've never heard of women who beleive in the teachings of the church spontanously getting pregnant (ok once).


236 posted on 05/26/2006 7:56:42 AM PDT by x5452
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To: peyton randolph

Rigght Im sure all the eople using beirth control have three kids and are just doing it to stay off the street. We all see here is the fool...


285 posted on 05/26/2006 11:08:55 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: peyton randolph

Mexico's problem is not lack of contraception. It is corruption, and the lack of a strong rule of law, the lack of strong property rights, and a socialist government.


296 posted on 05/26/2006 12:26:45 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: peyton randolph
People who can't afford to feed, clothe, house and educate their children have a serious responsibility to avoid more births. Everybody agrees with that. Nobody's advocating unlimited childbearing for the poor in Mexico or anywhere else.

Couples who don't engage in contraceptive sex don't necessarily end up with 6 children. If in good conscience a couple realizes that they can't responsibly bear/raise any more kids because of ill health, poverty, etc. they can avoid more births by practicing Natural Family Planning. Mother Teresa's sisters have taught NFP to 10,000 poor couples in India, and you know what? It really works.
303 posted on 05/26/2006 1:37:30 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (As always, striving for accuracy.)
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To: peyton randolph
The AVERAGE MEXICAN FAMILY has 2.6 Children. Birth control is READILY AVAILABLE in Mexico.

Why is it that so many people get this STUPID idea that Mexicans have alot of children. The Mexicans IN MEXICO have had a declining birthrate for 35 years. The government of Mexico ENCOURAGES birth control!

336 posted on 05/26/2006 7:47:51 PM PDT by Clemenza (The CFR ate my bilderburgers! Time to call for a trilateral commission to investigate!)
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To: peyton randolph

You make a good point, but graduating from and speaking at a Catholic school, given the official Catholic line against contraception, it sounds like a fair speech. I am a Protestant, and my wife and I have used contraception in the past (interestingly, when we DID try to have kids, we had to use the miracles of modern science), and I have since had a vasectomy. If I were Catholic, I would either have foregone contraception or left the church.


379 posted on 05/27/2006 12:28:31 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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