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The Time has Never Been Better for a Third Party
Sierra Times ^ | 5/17/2006 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 05/18/2006 4:04:27 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy

For quite some time, 20 years at least, conservatives, constitutionalists and traditionalists have been frustrated with political reality in America. The ‘Republican revolution’ of 1994 bore small fruit, that establishment Republicans let wither and die on the vine. In the place of promises of smaller government, fiscal responsibility and stronger defense of our liberties and sovereignty, the Republicans have given us what the Democrats wanted to give us: bigger government, larger debts, and big-brother government with fading liberty and sovereignty.

The Democrats are nothing but pandering socialists who have sold out to corporate globalists, whereas Republicans are pandering corporatists who have sold out to socialistic globalists. There’s not a whole lot of difference is there? What we have running our country are a bunch of power hungry one-worlders who basically chose up sides to play their game and are only concerned with their team (political party) being in control. Either way we get the same raw deal.

Not since the 1850s has the political environment been so ripe for the emergence of another political party onto the national scene in a manner that will allow it to ‘play with the big boys.’ Back then, it was the newly formed Republican Party that came on the scene and eventually eclipsed and killed the Whig Party. If a political party, whether it were to be a newly formed party or one of the current third parties, was to make the right move, it could dominate the right, become a defender of the Constitution, and truly get into the game with the ‘big boys.’

The Democratic Party has sold its soul to socialism and every leftist special interest or perversion known. The Republican Party is tearing itself apart due to the left-leaning elites that control the party, ignoring its conservative base. A new conservative party could pull in the disaffected voters who’ve given up on our political system, and also draw in conservatives hopelessly clinging to the Republican Party. The remaining liberal Republicans would simply fold themselves into the Democratic Party, where there hearts really reside already.

According to a recent Scott Rasmussen’s survey, a third party candidate could easily take a third of the votes in a national election if they made preventing illegal immigration and enforcing our immigration laws their key issues. In fact, if Hillary Clinton was to run for president in 2008, without a third party candidate focused on illegal immigration, the survey shows nothing can stop Hillary from winning. Basically, we will have another Clinton in the White House in 2009 if a conservative third party candidate doesn’t come forth and champion U.S. sovereignty and fight illegal immigration. The survey shows that a third party candidate can win in a three-way race. Hillary wins in a two-way race between Democrats and Republicans. But a third party President facing a Congress split between two opposition parties could mean a seriously failed presidency. That is why a third party would have to ensure candidates run for the House and Senate at the same time, and do so with a ‘joint game plan’ with the presidential candidate. If the ‘Contract with America,’ where candidates ran on a group platform, worked in 1994, it can work in 2008, linking a third party’s presidential candidate with that party’s congressional candidates, all sporting the same key issues and ‘running together’ after a fashion.

With this in mind, neo-con Republicans would no longer be able to scare conservatives into voting for them simply based on the idea that ‘if you don’t vote for us, the Democrats will control everything.” This worn out line has really lost its impact; especially with how the Republican controlled Congress and White House have spent the last five years acting like Democrats.

But what party to form, or which party to look to? To try and form a new, independent party now, looking two years ahead, is a daunting task. I question if this can be done in a manner that will be effective. Looking at existing third parties, which ones have fairly viable organizations that stretch across the country? There are only two I’m aware of that meet the organizational criteria: the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party. Both, overall, tend to hold fairly sound, traditional views on limited government, fiscal responsibility by government, and limited international involvement (leaving that involvement to be purely economic). It’s in the area of immigration that these two parties differ. It is the Constitution Party that holds the view the Rasmussen survey shows can take the White House.

If the American people wish to break the stranglehold that the current two-party system holds over them (and will surely lead to our financial, cultural and political demise), then anyone who considers themselves a patriot should look to backing the one viable party that stands for American sovereignty and the control of our borders: The Constitution Party. Cast off fears that not voting Republican will mean Hillary gets the White House. The survey shows that that very fear will ensure she gets the White house. It takes courage to take a new path, and it’s time all conservatives, constitutionalists and traditionalists got in the one vehicle that’s currently available to take us back to the constitutional republic our forefathers left us.

I’m not saying that every official position of the Constitution Party is going to appeal to all conservatives/constitutionalists/traditionalist, but neither do all the planks in the Republican or Democrat platforms. I’m just saying that if the citizens want to take back their country from the elites and globalists, it’s time to break with the establishment one-worlders who are selling us down the river and take action via a political party that is working to preserve our Constitution as intended, not as interpreted (or ignored) by elitists.

The Constitution Party stands for more than just defending against immigration, and people should read up on them. At the same time, the Constitution Party needs to promote more of their fiscal views. Currently, they are known mostly as a pro-life party. They can’t ride an anti-abortion, one-trick pony to the White House or to Congress. To be viewed as a truly viable party, the Constitution Party needs to promote their other views concerning limited government, fiscal responsibility and halting illegal immigration. Getting a truly conservative, Constitution-honoring political party into Congress and the White House would help to steer the U.S. back towards sanity. A three-way split in political parties working in Congress could be really beneficial to the health of our Republic.

I know there will be Republican supporters out there that will tell me I’m dividing their ranks and now is the time to fight to keep the Republican Party on track. I can only say that not only is the Republican Party not on track, it has derailed and had a horrible wreck. At this point in time, it is a fool’s errand to attempt to change the neo-con party. I’m also confidant that some Libertarians out there will tell me I should be backing the Libertarian Party rather than the Constitution Party, as they are the real party of true liberty. The Libertarian Party has a lot of good positions on issues. However, as I stated earlier, the big issue that is the turning point for making a third party a true player on the national level is illegal immigration, and the Libertarian Party doesn’t have the correct position on it to take advantage of the current situation in America. In looking for the best vehicle to break the stranglehold that the Republican-Democrat system has on public office, the Libertarian Party simply isn’t positioned properly to be that vehicle.

I freely admit that I’m not a Republican any more (I haven’t been for about 10 years now), and that I’m not a Constitution Party member…yet. However, the time is ripe for change, and I’m tired of being a disaffected conservative. Thanks to the spinelessness of establishment politicians, the climate is right for a new major political party, and the Constitution Party is right on the issue of immigration to take advantage of the times. This is not just a chance to shake up the two-party system, but a chance to take our country back and make it a home again for citizens rather than territory to be conquered by the illegal invaders.


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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Does the conservative movement benefit if we break into factions? No. Only the left.

Actually, what would theoretically happen is that the conservative movement would break away from the Republican and Democrat parties (obviously 80-90 % would be Republican). What is left in the Democrat Party and the Republican Party is all the non-conservative globalists. It is in fact not a split but a break away. A United Conservative party with 30 %, will obviously be an instant player.

141 posted on 05/18/2006 6:00:35 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
That gorilla is all of GWB's public perceived problematic baggage (Low Approval, Border, Iraq, WMD, Iran, Oil, FEMA, etc. )

GWB is not handing the GOP much to run on either in 06 or 08. If they run on his record, they are heading for disaster. If they run against his record, they are heading for potential disaster.

If the Dems can ever formulate real plans, rather than Kerry's rhetorical plans, they could pull off big upsets in both 06 and 08. It wouldn't be that difficult to do.

[Consider investing in therapy couch stocks for the rush of GOPpies.]
142 posted on 05/18/2006 6:01:24 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: justa-hairyape

Thirty percent, even if you could get it, is still a losing hand.



143 posted on 05/18/2006 6:03:49 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: EBH

And Bush appears to be their spokesman.


144 posted on 05/18/2006 6:04:57 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: no dems
the only person who can beat her is Condi Rice

Rice is unvetted. She never has been through an election as a candidate.

In 00 many were rushing to annoint Colin Powell to run. After his stint as SoS, they are glad he didn't. That could be true with Rice. No one really knows her positions on major issues.

To rush to nominate her could be a disaster. She is too much of an unknown, politically.
145 posted on 05/18/2006 6:05:01 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Not in a three way triangulation. Low thirties is average. Being above 30 gets you in the three way race.


146 posted on 05/18/2006 6:07:09 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: TomGuy

Our country has a two party system and all a third party will ever do is siphon votes from one voting block. Too much of the money and party machinerary will prevent a third party from doing anything more than effecting the outcome of an election (usually, adversly) Perot in '92 and Nader in 2000. I'm a conservative and get frustrated with the Republican Party, but I don't know if I could ever throw away my vote to help the Democrats regain the White House.


147 posted on 05/18/2006 6:07:28 AM PDT by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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To: kinoxi

Scatter some chunks of cheese around......and hope enough Pubbies take the bait.


148 posted on 05/18/2006 6:10:58 AM PDT by Osage Orange (I am beginning to suspect that some men may have evolved from chickens...........)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Of course the Conservatives will lose because most Americans are actually just right of center but not what would be considered actual Conservatism. If one took the gas issue true Conservatives aren't concerned with price or are satisfied it's just the way it is because it's all in relation to the free market system but nonconservative, just right of center, believe in the free market system but that the system is broken to a point that the gas companies are ripping people off and want something done about it. True Conservative want border security with no guest worker, amnesty, where nonconservative, just right of center, want border security but would be open to the idea of a guest worker, amnesty, plan. The problem right now is that the "just right of center" Republicans and Conservatives haven't met that middle ground but both sides are posturing and making threats against each other. In the end I think there will be a consensus and that no one will get everything they want or not get anything they've asked for.
149 posted on 05/18/2006 6:19:57 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
The Democrats are nothing but pandering socialists who have sold out to corporate globalists, whereas Republicans are pandering corporatists who have sold out to socialistic globalists.

That is worthy of repeating.

150 posted on 05/18/2006 6:27:01 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: rdb3
Off to the guillotine for you.

I'd rather eat cake.

151 posted on 05/18/2006 6:42:47 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: mjolnir
Companies buying in to slave labor in communist countries should not be considered "legal" enterprises. Period. That the current corporate legal system has been gerrymandered to protect certain interests by purchased government legislation shouldn't be an arguable point.

This is not capitalism. It's cronyism and the beginnings of an oligarchy.

I agree that we need to get rid of minimum wage laws, government mandated ANYTHING (other than laws that punish actual crime), and Socialist Insecurity. We also need to revamp our tax structure to a consumption (not a VAT) tax on finished products, end corporate welfare, ect... Possibly an Amendment establishing a "seperation of free market and government".

Getting rid of anything isn't going to happen with either of the Two Big Parties either. The Dims are all out socialists and the Republicans are trying to figure out how to emmulate them.

I'd also like to remind you that the Republicans themselves were a Third party during the Whig/Dems days. Are you saying they are not a "successful" party?

152 posted on 05/18/2006 6:47:51 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: justa-hairyape
Perot was not a factor in '96.

Funny how Republicans seem to forget that "Brady Bill" Bob Dole wasn't exactly a stellar candidate to run against Clintoon. Especially after '89 Import Ban "Read my Lips" Pappy Bush made such a complete hash of things.

Now they are gearing up to try and get us to hold our noses again. Screw that...

Give us another Reagan or a Chester A. Arthur. It's what the country needs.

153 posted on 05/18/2006 6:56:22 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: justa-hairyape
Agreed. You might find this interesting reading too.

...In the United States, the emerging leadership realized that the single most important goal was not to assimilate and disappear into the great melting pot, like many who had come before them. The need to defend and consolidate Islamic identity became the primary goal in the United States. Muslims were not in the United States to assimilate...

The leadership of the intellectual elite, the resonant echo of the Islamic revivalist fervor of the Muslim world, the gradual transformation of America from melting pot to a multicultural society, and the rapid rate of conversion of Americans, both white and black, to Islam all provided energy and momentum for the sustenance of Islamic practices in America...

The first thing that Islamists did was to take over the National Arab Students Association, a secular ethnocentric organization, and dissolved it. They replaced it with the Muslim Students Association National.

http://www.ijtihad.org/Khanchapter.pdf

154 posted on 05/18/2006 7:11:14 AM PDT by EBH (We're too PC to understand WAR has been declared upon us and the enemy is within.)
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To: rhombus
A fair and good question.

A reasonable justification exists for quitting the establishment parties and joining a party based on basic principles.

A Republican Senator from the Oregon became known as Mr. Death because of his pro-abortion stand. Fourteen out of the 43 Republican U.S. senators voted to use taxes to promote abortion. This vote took place on July 16, 1991. Twenty out of the 43 Republican U.S. Senators voted in favor of using fetal tissue from abortions for medical research. This vote took place on March 31, 1992.

All but three Republican U.S. Senators voted to confirm the radically pro-abortion Judge Ginsburg to the Supreme Court of the United States in August, 1993. All of the Republican U.S. Senators voted to confirm Judge David Souter.The Republican party is "a house divided against itself."

Haley Barbour in an interview with Pat Robertson's Christian American magazine, he admitted he was pro-life, with a big old "BUT, as chairman of the Party I also recognize that there are millions of pro-choice Republicans who are just as good a Republican as I am."

The Republicans are fundamentally socialists today. They propose budgets and approve budgets that fund welfare programs, entitlement programs, pro-abortion programs, homosexual awareness programs, cultural programs, agricultural programs, industrial programs, one-world-government programs, international bribery programs, and programs that make decent people shudder. There is little difference between the Republicans, the national socialists, or the international socialists. Some Republicans favor international socialism by supporting NATO and the United Nations. Some Republicans favor national socialism, focussing more on "domestic" programs.

No Republican Senator is working to abolish the property tax which is specified in the first plank of the Communist Manifesto.

No Republican Senator is working for the abolishment of the central bank. The central bank is the fifth plank of the Communist Manifesto.

No Republican Senator is working for the abolishment of government education, government media, and the National Endowment for the Arts. Public education is required by the tenth plank of the Communist Manifesto.

It appears as though the Republican party has simply amalgamated into the principles of government that socialist parties have held for a hundred years, only biting off smaller chunks of their policies. Both parties contribute to the same system, only one is a little more half-hearted about it and we are left on election day voting for the lesser of two evils.

We expend energy rushing to catch a plane that is sure to crash, and support politicians that are sure to compromise. The end result is a total loss for the cause of freedom and righteousness.

Let the Democrats and Republicans debate on whether governments should spend 47.3% or 49.6% of the Gross National Income. We should stand for an age-old Biblical principle which says governments may spend no more than 10% of the people's income (I Samuel 8:15-18).

Democrats and Republicans quibble on whether children should be taught homosexual or heterosexual acts in the 4th grade or the 7th grade. But we should stand for the age-old Biblical principles. Education must be controlled, funded, and mandated by parents. Get government out of the education business!

I have never in my life voted for a Democrat for anything, but it would be wonderful for you, me, my family and friends to have choices that better reflect our ideals and our ideas of where this country should be headed.

155 posted on 05/18/2006 7:11:29 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: Buckhead
"There's a war on, and this is no time to indulge in ideological purty at the price of giving the White House to the party of defeat and surrender."

That has to be the bottom line.

After all said and done, after all plans are made, after walking behind the curtain at the polls, that is the most critical thing to remember before pulling the lever.

America today is not the America of yesterday. For that matter, the world today is not the world of yesterday. The course the world will take for survival could very well depend on the vote of one person.

156 posted on 05/18/2006 7:13:08 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: teddyballgame
I'm a conservative and get frustrated with the Republican Party

Conservative and Republican are not synonymous. Not all Conservatives are Republicans. Not all Republicans are Conservatives. That is the problem. Whenever the non-conservative (big business) Republicans are in control, they act in the interest of big business, which is very likely to conflict with true conservatism.

The old 'Southern Democrats'/Reagan Democrats were basically conservative. They allowed the lib/progressive wing to overtake their party. The GOP is facing a similar incursion of progressivism.
157 posted on 05/18/2006 7:19:04 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Dead Corpse

The Republicans were NEVER a third party. The Whigs had dissolved before the Republicans took their place.

Free trade does not cause slave wages, it destroys them over time. The Chinese can no longer provide cheaper labor than other tigers because free trade has caused their economy to evolve for the better. That's why China is losing manufcturing jobs. According to Walter Williams from 2000 till now, China lost 4.5 million manufacturing jobs while the United States lost 3.1 million in the United States.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/wwilliams.htm


The United States should eliminate the vast majority of financial aid to foreign countries (which usually only distorts local economies)and replace that aid with free trade agreements.


158 posted on 05/18/2006 7:20:18 AM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
The Constitution Party platform is no better than the Republican platform.

It's actually far worse. You might be interested in

The Constitution Party on the War on Terror

Entire platform in post 1. It's also worth noting that their concept that the nation is founded on the Gospel of Jesus Christ and only tolerats, not embraces, non-Christians will put off a Christian or two as well. Particularly when expounded by candidates like Mark Dankof

159 posted on 05/18/2006 7:26:16 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: rdb3
Actually, it's worse than the GOP's.

See the links in post 159. A favorite article by a CP man, Bush's Pals at The Weekly Standard and Free Republic.com Are Panicking (Al Jazeera)

160 posted on 05/18/2006 7:28:22 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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