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The Time has Never Been Better for a Third Party
Sierra Times ^ | 5/17/2006 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 05/18/2006 4:04:27 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy

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121 posted on 05/18/2006 5:29:20 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Where does the power start? Not in DC. It starts in the congressional district. The county. The precinct, even.

Exactly right. It starts with whatever is at hand. I personally know two people--one in local town Republican politics, one in a very high-up position with our Republican governor--and I batter them constantly. I can't get through to talk to my Senator personally, so I give $$ where I can and browbeat these two people incessantly.

Small potatoes? Yup--but imagine if we ALL did that.

122 posted on 05/18/2006 5:29:32 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Kowtowing to the Bush haters ends now)
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To: winodog

Should have been Kemp/Dole not Dole/Kemp.


123 posted on 05/18/2006 5:30:35 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: FerdieMurphy

Oh, yeah. The third party routine worked out really well when H. Ross Perot was running, didn't it? (/sarcasm)


124 posted on 05/18/2006 5:31:40 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: Impeach the Boy
"...but all they will do is get democrats elected."

At the risk of sounding like I favor such a turn of events (I don't), I'm not so sure that a Republican president who serves the liberal/globalist agenda and who spends in a manner that that would leave even the most liberal democrat in awe, with a Republican congress that consistently snatches defeat from the jaws of victory is any better than a full-blown socialist democrat president. At least the latter seems to actually stir the conservative sentiments and provoke some fight from our Republican, so-called representatives in Washington. As it stands right now, the only difference between them is the speed at which they are paddling the canoe to Hell.

125 posted on 05/18/2006 5:32:49 AM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Ya!
How ELSE is another CLINTON going to get in the White House?


126 posted on 05/18/2006 5:38:01 AM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Actually the article's author was calling for a third party. I know this has been tried before, but those third parties were generally full of Democrats and neo-conservatives with recycled ideas and no ideals.

The Reformed party did not consist of "Democrats and Neo-conservatives" (a term that wasn't even around back then). Also, check out the Bull Moose party. Another failed attempt but it came out of the Republican party. As for "recycled ideas and no ideals", there's nothing new about the current problems over cheap Mexican labor."

It's time now for either a complete reinstallation of congress, or a revolution.

I think you'd be better off focussing on a few House and Sentate seats that now containing the more liberal Republicans who aid and abet the Democratic blockade. Revolution? Please. "You'd better free your mind instead".

Perhaps we need a benevolent despot.

That's been tried by other countries and has also been a stunning failure. Be careful now, I will question the patriotism of anyone who wants a despot.

127 posted on 05/18/2006 5:38:05 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: sweetliberty

I was afraid of a nightmare scenario like this two years ago. I knew the immigration issue would split the Republican Party and that a Third Party was a real possibility.

If a real conservative enters the race and defects to a third party and holds out until election, get ready for a President Hillary.


128 posted on 05/18/2006 5:40:38 AM PDT by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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To: Dead Corpse

I have to disagree. The author goes on about "globalism" but he appears to blame corporations for it--- the sure sign of a leftist. Yes, Marx thought free trade needed to occur before communism could. Bust so what? He also thought "capitalism"-- characterized by the rule of law, property rights, the absence of centralized control of the economy and free trade--- in other words the AMERICAN system-- needed to be adopted around the world before communism could occur. Marx was wrong on these point as in so much else.

The reason we've made it's profitable for businesses-- not just corporations-- to hire illegal immigrants is that socialist practices such as the minimum wage, mandated health care benefits, family leave and the Social Security ponzi scheme have increased the price of hiring American workers.

Getting rid of those practices cannot occur within the structure of a third party--- there has never been a successful theird party in America and never will be.


129 posted on 05/18/2006 5:40:47 AM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
They ran against Bush--not Gore or Kerry. Do they really want me to believe that Bush is more dangerous than a Democrat?

No. You run against the person whos votes your trying to get. You think a Conservative is going to get a liberals votes? Thats why in things called "Primarys" Republicans run against Republicans and Democraps run against Democraps. In the case of the 3rd party its trying to wedge its way into the voting block your trying to get. Perot was a weak spined leader with a great idea. We now need a strong spined leader with a great idea to get a 3rd party working

130 posted on 05/18/2006 5:42:18 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: FerdieMurphy

"According to a recent Scott Rasmussen’s survey, a third party candidate could easily take a third of the votes in a national election if they made preventing illegal immigration and enforcing our immigration laws their key issues."

SEE MY TAGLINE.


131 posted on 05/18/2006 5:42:35 AM PDT by no dems (A Winning Campaign Theme for a Conservative in '08: "PUTTING AMERICA FIRST")
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To: Buckhead
Actually I think Dole falling off the stage and Clinton blaming OKC on Rush is what sealed the 1996 victory. Obviously Perot gave us Clinton in 92. That was his intention. He hated the Bush family. Some previous Texas baggage. We should not really assume Perot was a viable third party candidate. He dropped out soon after the polls showed Clinton was ahead of Bush. Don't forget that Democrats also won the popular vote in 2000.

And there is also a 900 lb gorilla in the room that any Republican Presidential candidate will have to deal with. That gorilla is all of GWB's public perceived problematic baggage (Low Approval, Border, Iraq, WMD, Iran, Oil, FEMA, etc. ). It may take more then 'a banana' to satisfy that gorilla.

132 posted on 05/18/2006 5:42:49 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: rhombus

Be careful now, I will question the patriotism of anyone who wants a despot.

You got that right!

133 posted on 05/18/2006 5:43:32 AM PDT by rdb3 (Honey, you keep that up and it's whatever you want it to be. --Family Guy)
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To: FerdieMurphy

And while I sympathize with the author, my real fear lies in the idea of an emerging Third Party. One that is even now mobilizing into the political arena, being strongly encouraged by their base, and if successful will cause the downfall of our nation. The party has a strong steady following, an unwavering platform, and their dedication is second to none. Nothing will stop them and they are already moving into the local and state levels.

One needs to be very careful what one wishes for...


134 posted on 05/18/2006 5:44:18 AM PDT by EBH (We're too PC to understand WAR has been declared upon us and the enemy is within.)
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To: TomGuy

"If the Republicans could not beat Bill twice, they certainly have no chance to beat Hill."

WRONG!! It would be difficult; never underestimate the power of the Clintonistas; but, I've said it before (even before Dick Morris wrote his book) and I'll say it again: IMO, the only person who can beat her is Condi Rice. She will cut into the women's vote and the black vote.

Don't tell me that black Democrats will go into that voting booth by the thousands and miss an opportunity to have a black president.

Nope. Condi can do it. Hillary would mop the floor with Rinos like McCain and spineless little twits like Frist.


135 posted on 05/18/2006 5:49:14 AM PDT by no dems (A Winning Campaign Theme for a Conservative in '08: "PUTTING AMERICA FIRST")
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To: NZerFromHK

One of the first things when investigating certain crimes is to look who benefits. If you do, it often leads you to the perpetrator.

Does the conservative movement benefit if we break into factions? No. Only the left.

Has this tactic been used over and over to shatter conservative strength in country after country? Yes. Who benefited? The left.

Is it in the left's interest that we shatter into feuding factions who split the vote, stop working together, and become weak?

You bet ya.

Who very well may be encouraging all this anger?


136 posted on 05/18/2006 5:50:17 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: jamaksin
Two words ... Tax Revolt!

From your keyboard to God's ears!


137 posted on 05/18/2006 5:51:23 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: teddyballgame
If a real conservative enters the race and defects to a third party and holds out until election, get ready for a President Hillary.

If done right, a real conservative movement could also pull 'Southern Democrats'/'Reagan Democrats' who tend to be conservative. That could result in a significantly large conservative movement/party that could be very influential.

If even 1/3 to 1/2 of the Dems and Pubs are conservative, united they would sway many local elections and even the Presidency. If they swayed to conservative candidates regardless of party, the result would be better than returning the same liberal progressives.
138 posted on 05/18/2006 5:55:31 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: justa-hairyape

When he was nominated and he made another "I will go for the touchdown" reference, I thought the fight was on. But he rolled over and wasnt a factor.


139 posted on 05/18/2006 5:56:54 AM PDT by winodog (I fear the swamp more then trespassers, muslims, china, etc,etc. Dust off the DOI)
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To: unixfox

and if people do, the conservatives will lose, because the vote will be split. Our enemies take over because America has always been a moiety. Always.

But those who do might be able to keep their doctrinal purity if they do.

I just hope they like being under the Hillerista regime.

They might as well have signed up as campaign workers for her. They just might get the same results.


140 posted on 05/18/2006 5:58:10 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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