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The Time has Never Been Better for a Third Party
Sierra Times ^ | 5/17/2006 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 05/18/2006 4:04:27 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy

For quite some time, 20 years at least, conservatives, constitutionalists and traditionalists have been frustrated with political reality in America. The ‘Republican revolution’ of 1994 bore small fruit, that establishment Republicans let wither and die on the vine. In the place of promises of smaller government, fiscal responsibility and stronger defense of our liberties and sovereignty, the Republicans have given us what the Democrats wanted to give us: bigger government, larger debts, and big-brother government with fading liberty and sovereignty.

The Democrats are nothing but pandering socialists who have sold out to corporate globalists, whereas Republicans are pandering corporatists who have sold out to socialistic globalists. There’s not a whole lot of difference is there? What we have running our country are a bunch of power hungry one-worlders who basically chose up sides to play their game and are only concerned with their team (political party) being in control. Either way we get the same raw deal.

Not since the 1850s has the political environment been so ripe for the emergence of another political party onto the national scene in a manner that will allow it to ‘play with the big boys.’ Back then, it was the newly formed Republican Party that came on the scene and eventually eclipsed and killed the Whig Party. If a political party, whether it were to be a newly formed party or one of the current third parties, was to make the right move, it could dominate the right, become a defender of the Constitution, and truly get into the game with the ‘big boys.’

The Democratic Party has sold its soul to socialism and every leftist special interest or perversion known. The Republican Party is tearing itself apart due to the left-leaning elites that control the party, ignoring its conservative base. A new conservative party could pull in the disaffected voters who’ve given up on our political system, and also draw in conservatives hopelessly clinging to the Republican Party. The remaining liberal Republicans would simply fold themselves into the Democratic Party, where there hearts really reside already.

According to a recent Scott Rasmussen’s survey, a third party candidate could easily take a third of the votes in a national election if they made preventing illegal immigration and enforcing our immigration laws their key issues. In fact, if Hillary Clinton was to run for president in 2008, without a third party candidate focused on illegal immigration, the survey shows nothing can stop Hillary from winning. Basically, we will have another Clinton in the White House in 2009 if a conservative third party candidate doesn’t come forth and champion U.S. sovereignty and fight illegal immigration. The survey shows that a third party candidate can win in a three-way race. Hillary wins in a two-way race between Democrats and Republicans. But a third party President facing a Congress split between two opposition parties could mean a seriously failed presidency. That is why a third party would have to ensure candidates run for the House and Senate at the same time, and do so with a ‘joint game plan’ with the presidential candidate. If the ‘Contract with America,’ where candidates ran on a group platform, worked in 1994, it can work in 2008, linking a third party’s presidential candidate with that party’s congressional candidates, all sporting the same key issues and ‘running together’ after a fashion.

With this in mind, neo-con Republicans would no longer be able to scare conservatives into voting for them simply based on the idea that ‘if you don’t vote for us, the Democrats will control everything.” This worn out line has really lost its impact; especially with how the Republican controlled Congress and White House have spent the last five years acting like Democrats.

But what party to form, or which party to look to? To try and form a new, independent party now, looking two years ahead, is a daunting task. I question if this can be done in a manner that will be effective. Looking at existing third parties, which ones have fairly viable organizations that stretch across the country? There are only two I’m aware of that meet the organizational criteria: the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party. Both, overall, tend to hold fairly sound, traditional views on limited government, fiscal responsibility by government, and limited international involvement (leaving that involvement to be purely economic). It’s in the area of immigration that these two parties differ. It is the Constitution Party that holds the view the Rasmussen survey shows can take the White House.

If the American people wish to break the stranglehold that the current two-party system holds over them (and will surely lead to our financial, cultural and political demise), then anyone who considers themselves a patriot should look to backing the one viable party that stands for American sovereignty and the control of our borders: The Constitution Party. Cast off fears that not voting Republican will mean Hillary gets the White House. The survey shows that that very fear will ensure she gets the White house. It takes courage to take a new path, and it’s time all conservatives, constitutionalists and traditionalists got in the one vehicle that’s currently available to take us back to the constitutional republic our forefathers left us.

I’m not saying that every official position of the Constitution Party is going to appeal to all conservatives/constitutionalists/traditionalist, but neither do all the planks in the Republican or Democrat platforms. I’m just saying that if the citizens want to take back their country from the elites and globalists, it’s time to break with the establishment one-worlders who are selling us down the river and take action via a political party that is working to preserve our Constitution as intended, not as interpreted (or ignored) by elitists.

The Constitution Party stands for more than just defending against immigration, and people should read up on them. At the same time, the Constitution Party needs to promote more of their fiscal views. Currently, they are known mostly as a pro-life party. They can’t ride an anti-abortion, one-trick pony to the White House or to Congress. To be viewed as a truly viable party, the Constitution Party needs to promote their other views concerning limited government, fiscal responsibility and halting illegal immigration. Getting a truly conservative, Constitution-honoring political party into Congress and the White House would help to steer the U.S. back towards sanity. A three-way split in political parties working in Congress could be really beneficial to the health of our Republic.

I know there will be Republican supporters out there that will tell me I’m dividing their ranks and now is the time to fight to keep the Republican Party on track. I can only say that not only is the Republican Party not on track, it has derailed and had a horrible wreck. At this point in time, it is a fool’s errand to attempt to change the neo-con party. I’m also confidant that some Libertarians out there will tell me I should be backing the Libertarian Party rather than the Constitution Party, as they are the real party of true liberty. The Libertarian Party has a lot of good positions on issues. However, as I stated earlier, the big issue that is the turning point for making a third party a true player on the national level is illegal immigration, and the Libertarian Party doesn’t have the correct position on it to take advantage of the current situation in America. In looking for the best vehicle to break the stranglehold that the Republican-Democrat system has on public office, the Libertarian Party simply isn’t positioned properly to be that vehicle.

I freely admit that I’m not a Republican any more (I haven’t been for about 10 years now), and that I’m not a Constitution Party member…yet. However, the time is ripe for change, and I’m tired of being a disaffected conservative. Thanks to the spinelessness of establishment politicians, the climate is right for a new major political party, and the Constitution Party is right on the issue of immigration to take advantage of the times. This is not just a chance to shake up the two-party system, but a chance to take our country back and make it a home again for citizens rather than territory to be conquered by the illegal invaders.


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To: justa-hairyape
If the Republicans could not beat Bill twice, they certainly have no chance to beat Hill.

Exactly!

And the GOP can't defeat her Senate run in 00 and probably in 06, so why do they think they can stop her presidential run? So far, none of the GOP wannabes can even come close to defeating her. Guliani? Heck, he dropped out, rather than face her for the Senate run. His excuse: prostate cancer surgery. Ironically, that didn't stop Kerry who had an similar operation just months before he began his presidential run.
101 posted on 05/18/2006 5:15:34 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Buckhead
Absent Perot, Clinton definitely loses in '92.

Perot was not a factor in '96.

102 posted on 05/18/2006 5:17:04 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: rhombus
If I recall the Bull Moose party was not a success. Instead it split the Republicans and ended up electing the Democrat, Wilson with 43% of the vote.

I believe Roosevelt was shot during that campaign. He recovered before the election, but it took the wind out of their sails.

103 posted on 05/18/2006 5:18:21 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Omnibus Gloria Fugit)
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To: justa-hairyape
I believe that the writer of this article claimed that the Constitution Party polled the best in a three way 'triangulation'. To be viable right now, the third party must be tough on the border.

Hardly anyone's heard of the Constitution Party, they're going nowhere, and polls are so easily rigged.

The border issue is not going to be the basis for a revolution. I know right now everyone here is worked up about it, but if a new party is being put together based on that it's going to run into the Republicans pointing to the measures they're already taking, and people will say "What exactly are you going to do that's different?" It feels good at the moment but people have to take a breather and think of all the OTHER "This is the ONLY ISSUE!!!!!" moments in our past--foreign ownership of US property, NAFTA, abortion--none of which changed the political landscape as people hoped.

The border issue is THE issue right now, but just because people FEEL it is the #1 issue, that doesn't mean much to the voting public overall, who have shown no signs of interest in a third party, scattered, biased polls notwithstanding.

104 posted on 05/18/2006 5:20:53 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Kowtowing to the Bush haters ends now)
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To: TomGuy

Yes but Kerry is possessed so that does not count. Something sure seemed to scare Rudy and hundreds of other men in high places who would have sold their soul to be the senator from NY.


105 posted on 05/18/2006 5:21:09 AM PDT by winodog (I fear the swamp more then trespassers, muslims, china, etc,etc. Dust off the DOI)
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To: FerdieMurphy

A viable third party will remain someone's dream for many decades.


106 posted on 05/18/2006 5:21:14 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: rhombus
Actually the article's author was calling for a third party. I know this has been tried before, but those third parties were generally full of Democrats and neo-conservatives with recycled ideas and no ideals.

It's time now for either a complete reinstallation of congress, or a revolution.

Perhaps we need a benevolent despot.

107 posted on 05/18/2006 5:21:23 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: ichabod1
I believe Roosevelt was shot during that campaign. He recovered before the election, but it took the wind out of their sails.

Not only was he shot but he finished the speech he was planning to give and carried the bullet in his chest for the rest of his life.

108 posted on 05/18/2006 5:21:39 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: snowrip
For the first time in my life, I will be voting third party.

No, no, no! You should keep voting for people who don't represent you. Don't you want to win?

109 posted on 05/18/2006 5:21:46 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: FerdieMurphy
The antidote to that is what happened in PA, and it happened in the right place. The Conservative GOP in PA took out two big-time RINOs in their state senate. Including The Leader (I forget the official title) of the PA Senate.

Now why is the state legislature the right place to hold a good old-fashioned Stalin-era RINO purging? Several reasons.

1) They are the farm team for House of Representatives. You fill the GOP pipeline w/ Conservatives; you move the party to the right.

2) They draw the electoral districts. Take over the state legislatures, and you can make Sherman Bohlert wannabees run for reelection in districts currently represented by electorates that send us the likes of Charlie Rangle. It's a second method of RINO hunting.

3) State legislature turnouts have generally been low. When the local college Republicans can put enough media out there to move the needles on turnout, democracy is truly being returned to the citizenry.

I've just laid out a plausible solution which has already been executed in PA. The problem to solve now is the dysfunctional US Senate.
110 posted on 05/18/2006 5:21:49 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (To McCain a piece of legislation is to gutlessly not vote on it to avoid going on record.)
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To: justa-hairyape

Bob Dole?


111 posted on 05/18/2006 5:22:17 AM PDT by winodog (I fear the swamp more then trespassers, muslims, china, etc,etc. Dust off the DOI)
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To: Darkwolf377

Exactly. Want different people? get up and off your duff and go to work for it.

Primaries. Grass roots work. Local elections. precinct wide and county wide conventions, caucauses or however they do it in your state. Joining with like-minded local people in political organizations. Becoming candidates, even.

Where does the power start? Not in DC. It starts in the congressional district. The county. The precinct, even. It starts with people saying, I don't like this guy and deciding that someone else is better and working one's butt off to help him get elected.

And that's how you make changes. Like minded people choosing to work together in ways that will make things happen.

We just saw some of it happening in Pennsylvania. It could happen in your neck of the woods if you get enough people motivated.

I am not naive. I've done this. I will do it again.


112 posted on 05/18/2006 5:22:33 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Currently, Tom Delay is the only "major politician that supports tax reform (The Fair Tax). I don't believe he has any intention of running for office and he would never dream of breaking from the GOP.
113 posted on 05/18/2006 5:24:41 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: FerdieMurphy

It's time now for either a complete reinstallation of congress, or a revolution.

Perhaps we need a benevolent despot.

Off to the guillotine for you.

114 posted on 05/18/2006 5:25:28 AM PDT by rdb3 (Honey, you keep that up and it's whatever you want it to be. --Family Guy)
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To: Darkwolf377

Actually, the Republicans and Border Controllers in the Senate and House who want border enforcement, should be the first defectors to the third party. They actually could decide which party it will be. I am willing to give our true conservative representatives in the U.S. House and U.S. Senate, my full support.


115 posted on 05/18/2006 5:25:59 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: NZerFromHK

I agree. They're here on this forum


116 posted on 05/18/2006 5:26:43 AM PDT by mo
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To: mewzilla

The ruling class, at whatever level of government or party, will have their way.
It's as simple as that.


117 posted on 05/18/2006 5:28:08 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Cyclops08
Nader stole 90,000 votes from Gore in Florida!

Stole? No. People still have to right to vote for whomever they choose. That is not stealing votes. Stealing votes would be 'dead people' voting or people casting more than one vote or party hacks destroying votes.

To say Nader stole votes is incorrect. People voted for him, and people still have a right to vote for the candidate of their choice.
118 posted on 05/18/2006 5:28:27 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: justa-hairyape

Are you conceding the point on '92?

'96 doesn't happen without '92.

Perot got 8% of the vote in '96 and was decisive in tipping several states to Clinton, including Florida. I will agree he was less of a factor in '96, but it is too much to say he was no factor at all.


119 posted on 05/18/2006 5:28:29 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Good post


120 posted on 05/18/2006 5:28:35 AM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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