97% of Illegal Aliens Take Jobs That Americans Want and Need

3% of Illegal Aliens Do Low-Paid Stoop Agricultural Labor; the Remaining 97% Take Jobs That Americans Want and Need

The most recent Pew Hispanic Center 's study indicates that 97% of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens are working in construction, hospitality, manufacturing, restaurant, administrative and service jobs. Are these jobs that Americans will not do?

The distinguished Senators Kennedy, McCain, Specter, Brownback, DeWine, Martinez , Hagel and Graham appear to believe that Americans are lazy and unmotivated to do a days work. If this is so, then who did these jobs before unethical employers opted to break the law by hiring a massive number of illegal aliens on the cheap? Incidentally, who is doing these jobs today in states where ethical employers are still hiring Americans, paying living wages, healthcare benefits and on-the-job accident insurance?

Whereas most Americans feel great compassion for the 5 billion people living outside the industrialized world, anyone of who would live a better life in America; our Senators seem to place their sympathies with the crooked and influential employers that want to keep the criminal alien employees that are already working for them. If this were not the case, the illegal alien employers represented by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce would not object to granting Guest Worker status ONLY to those who have never violated our immigration laws.

Let's be honest about this. The Senate Judiciary Committee amnesty proposal is in effect an amnesty for the criminal employers who have been avoiding employer sanctions since the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA). IRCA was America 's last failed attempt at granting amnesty to criminal aliens to stem the tide of illegal immigration. The border security and employer (of illegal alien) sanction provision of IRCA were not enforced. So after eliminating the 3.5 million illegal aliens in the United States via the 1986 amnesty, the number of illegal aliens has swollen to 12 to 20 million in 20 years. Why? Because our government did not secure our borders and enforce employer sanctions as promised in the IRCA.

The Government Accounting Office (GAO) report dated March 6th, 2006 concludes that the agency that would be in charge of the proposed amnesty of 2006, the United States Citizenship and Immigration Service, is incapable of administering and enforcing the new amnesty, therefore condemning the proposed 2006 amnesty to failure from the start.

28% of prisoners in federal prisons are illegal aliens, according the United States Justice Department. Not all of those 12 to 20 million illegal aliens have come to America to work. Some have come to commit crimes.

Only 5% of those surveyed by the Pew Hispanic Center in December 2005, who have been in the U.S. for two years or less, were unemployed while still in Mexico . Unemployment plays a minimal role in motivating workers from Mexico to migrate to the U.S.

As to the "hard-working" claim, the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) notes: "The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 24.5 percent compared to 16.3 percent for native households."

If we think that education is going to protect our jobs against globalization on one hand and on the other, the labor cheapening effect of open-borders, think again.

Our Senators and some in Congress are working closely with America 's most powerful business interests, many controlled by multinationals and globalized capital, to either outsource your job or import both skilled and unskilled labor in massive proportions. The idea is that skilled workers in other countries will work for less than comparably educated Americans; and that when labor, when properly viewed as a commodity such as sugar or oil, gets cheaper with over-supply. If you are relying on the Senate and the Congress to ensure your wellbeing and that of your children, you are sadly mistaken. Their efforts are creating open borders is only one part of the problem.

The front page Los Angeles Times article dated March 6, 2006 entitled “ That Good Education Might Not Be Enough , states, "More education has been the right answer for the past few decades," said Princeton University economist and former Federal Reserve Vice Chairman Alan S. Blinder, "but I'm not so convinced that it's the right course" for coping with the upheavals of globalization. Most studies suggest that beyond the manufacturing sector, the "offshoring" of jobs has been comparatively modest. But some analysts say the ground has been laid for a substantial pickup. In a recent paper, Blinder offered a rough estimate that suggested that as many as 42 million jobs, or nearly one-third of the nation's total, were susceptible to offshoring.

A growing number of Americans: Democrats, Republicans and independents, agree with the sentiments expressed by the Democrat Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid who is quoted as saying, “ Currently, an alien living illegally in the United States often pays no taxes but receives unemployment, welfare, free medical care and other federal benefits. Recent terrorist acts, including the World Trade Center bombing, have underscored the need to keep violent criminals out of the country.”

The Field Poll of September of 2005 showed that 81% of Californians are concerned about illegal immigration and 49% think that is a very serious problem. The Field Poll of March 2006 showed that 57% of registered voters think illegal immigration is a serious problem and a whopping 71% of registered Republicans share that view. It seems that many now agree with Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid even as he is now supporting the Guest Worker Amnesty tooted by President Bush.

President Bush and the Republican Senators echoing his wishes would like to correct us when by all appearances the forgiveness of crimes and tax fraud committed by illegal aliens looks like an amnesty. The President claims that it is not. In my opinion the penalty for illegal immigration is deportation; anything less is amnesty.

On light of the utter failure of America 's last attempt at granting amnesty, IRCA of 1986, there must not be any talk of Guest Worker programs until our borders are secured, employer sanctions are enforced and the last illegal immigrant has left or has been deported from our land.

To make your opinion heard about the proposed amnesty of 2006, you are welcome to visit www.numbersusa.com where you can use tools to contact your Congressperson and Senators.

My name is Tony Dolz . I am a foreign-born Hispanic legal immigrant, now a naturalized citizen. My wife is also a foreign-born legal immigrant. In our family we celebrate legal immigration and oppose illegal immigration. I am a candidate for California 41 st Assembly District. The cities of my district include: Santa Monica , Malibu , Malibu Heights , Pacific Palisades, Topanga, Agoura, Agoura Hills, Encino, Woodland Hills, Westlake Village , Hidden Hills and Calabasas.

Not necessarily. The 3% is the agricultural jobs e.g fruit picking, which will essentially be done by robots in the near future. The machines are made, it's just a matter of getting them all out there at a fair market value.

The article didn't say 97% of employed illegal aliens. An illegal alien who is not employed is clearly not "doing a job Americans won't do". To be sure, the article doesn't say "97% of all illegal aliens", but rather "97% of [some group consisting of] 12 to 20 million illegal aliens", so depending upon what 12 to 20 million aliens are talking about their statistic might be true, but absent such a definition it is also meaningless.

Well of course supply and demand is still in play.

But if there is an increase in the demand for health care then health care prices will rise, people will pay the extra and they will have less money in their pocket to spend on housing. The price of housing will fall. Those two effects go counter to each other. You can't spend more money than you have - unless you have the Fed in the system. They print it. You spend it. That is the real source of inflation not the ups and downs of gasoline prices. If we didn't inflate the money supply the price of things other than gasoline would fall because there would be less of them consumed - that is the same as saying that there would be less demand for them. Monetary inflation is the only way that everything can increase in price which is what we actually experience. I agree that some things increase more than others due to greater demand.

large population of US citizens who speak Spanish as their first or second language

There's the rub. IMO if ENGLISH isn't your first language your not a citizen of the US. We are an English speaking country. The immigrants that came here in the early 1900's knew that to fit into the mainstream they HAD to learn ENGLISH. The liberal feel gooders thought that the hard work of learning ENGLISH was too much to ask for people that wanted to be citizens thus we have more costs to business, a fractured electorate, and two different and separate cultures. Over the history of the human race a country with two different cultures has massive internal strife and usually splinters into two different countries. Canada and Quebec come to mind. Because of the language barrier after hundreds of years Canada is still separated within its own country. Spain and Portugal is another example. Present day Iraq another, England and Scotland and Wales yet another. The spoken language is the glue that holds a country and people together. This is one reason that France is splintered with its immigrants also.

The government can raise the birth rate of US citizens by other means then importing poverty. They could increase the tax credit for one. A $3000/child tax credit and a increase of the EIC would increase birth rates of low income families. Outlawing abortion would also increase the birth rate. Cutting federal programs like food stamps and welfare would motivate people to work these jobs. The tax system is geared to a two child policy. the government could also give other incentives to keep couples together in marriage for longer periods of time. This would increase the population also because stable families tend to produce more wealth and more children they single mothers and fathers. No, your argument is just another flawed argument like jobs Americans won't do. If the government really cared about the economic problems facing this country they would not take the short way out by importing cheap labor. they would do what was needed to insure our country produced it's own children and it's own energy, it's own manufactured goods, etc. It seems like the answer in Washington to every problem is either imports or outsourcing.

The government can raise the birth rate of US citizens by other means then importing poverty.

Well you make some points but I think your expectations of what government can and should do probably exceed those of the average Freeper and certainly mine. Upping the birth takes time and then you wait 20 years for the first workers to arrive. Economic forces don't operate on that kind of time table.

I'm no big fan of immigration but I think we are beyond the time when we could do anything about it. And I mean 40 to 50 years beyond that time. Government has screwed up border control and all of the factors that you name for much too long a time. We now have the more simple choice of allowing illegals to stay or making the (I believe) draconian choice of rounding them up, kicking them out and restricting future immigration. The cost of the latter would be huge, the growth in government to manage it would be huge and the reduction in our standard of living would decline enough that we would all notice. The economic impact would last for decades. The growth in government would last forever. No thanks.

Interestingly enough, even Hillary kind of "gets it" where Mexico's nearly
omnipotent oligarchs are concerned:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/411104p-347791c.html

"[Mrs. Clinton] said she favors a "carrot-and-stick" approach with Mexico to
provide that government and its "oligarchs" the incentives to give Mexicans
more and better jobs in their own country."

Frankly, the more pressure we keep on Mexico, immigration-wise, the more
reformers inside of Mexico can be emboldened and empowered to scale back
monopolists' abuses down there which keep our own country flooded with
economic refugees. Here's an interesting thread on new legal reform progress
that finally
emerged in Mexico I think as a result of immigration reform's failure:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611677/posts

We can make a difference for our sake, and their's as well, by cracking down
and demanding more activism by our own United States Trade Representative
against protectionist Mexican oligarchs in, for example, the monopolistic
petroleum, telecommunications, electricity and television media sectors.
Isn't prodding our neighbor to finally clean up its own backyard before
lambasting us for ours the neighborly thing to do?

I'm actually one of the few people (or not), that wishes to go back to the free-banking era...although that would involve a change in mental paradigms to get us there. No welfare, no SS,...nothing but Constitutional needs funded by indirect taxation e.g tariff, excise, etc.

When we actually knew the essence of freedom.

Fundamentally, I fear that many of these illegals favor socialism, and millions of them spell the end of liberty in America or Civil conflicts. I'd like to stick to our needs and do it much slower pace than we are doing it now. I guess we're past that stage in some regards, and I'm not one to think mass deportation would be done or should. I just don't think we should give in and bend-over--so to speak. There's many fantasy-minded socialists just waiting to destroy the one country that made an example for all.

A closet libertarian - right here on Free Republic. That makes at least two of us. I agree with you.

Where's this round up? Everyone's talking about. You do not need a round up to get rid of 11 million people. You control the border stopping the flow. You do maybe 100 IFCO raids. You send employers to jail. You cut benefits to illegals including free education for their kids and you stop the practice of giving citizenship to children born on American soil and start giving citizenship to children born of American citizens. You streamline the worker identification process and you deport any illegal that is picked up by local law enforcement for any reason. This does two things very quickly. It causes the illegals to not be able to provide for themselves or families and it causes companies to seriously thing about what they are doing when it comes to hiring. This will cause a immigration attrition and more illegals will go back on there own then what we could round up anyway. At the same time this is going on the government provides incentives like I mentioned to increase the population. In 10 to 20 years the problem is solved. Or we could do what you suggest and in 20 yrs we will have 100million illegal immigrants in this country and CA, AZ, NM, CO, TX would be part of the US in name only.

And along the way you create a country that most Americans would come to hate and a repressive, bureaucratic government with more power than I'm willing to give it. And the 12,000,000 illegals - they would become 12,000,000 felons. If 90% returned to Mexico you would still have over a million left and they would have little choice but to choose crime as their new career. No thank you.

There have been estimates of the cost of the program you've laid out - upwards of $100 billion. And that assumes that it would work which it wouldn't. So the cost would be like the cost of the War on Drugs. $75 billion a year forever.

"The distinguished Senators Kennedy, McCain, Specter, Brownback, DeWine, Martinez , Hagel and Graham" would be utterly humiliated if they had to do any of those jobs. I'm thinking that since they've convinced a few of us poor souls that they deserve the $160, 000(+, +, +, ?) they don't have to do anything other than laugh all the way to the bank...

"You do not need a round up to get rid of 11 million people. You control the border stopping the flow. You do maybe 100 IFCO raids."

It would be nice if the IRS got the owners/workers on tax evasion or on charges of stolen identities. If they can do it on Capone, I don't see how they couldn't do it on owners/workers....

I think I generally agree that first and foremost the border must be secured...MUST.

The raids could be done in limiting amounts throughout the nation. They should be well known, and big industry. It should hit the newsstand daily to get an effect.

Then finally: we have to force Mexico into reforming it's country. All the political pressure we can muster in actually making that a place where people feel safe to invest into...rather than staying the hell-hole it is currently.

That would be nice.

yes as an added benefit to reforming Mexico into a capitalistic country would be to mute the sway of Chavez in Latin America. If capitalism where able to raise the standard of living for Mexico's poor then there could be another revolution throughout that region giving the US a secure southern border.

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