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The government can raise the birth rate of US citizens by other means then importing poverty.

Well you make some points but I think your expectations of what government can and should do probably exceed those of the average Freeper and certainly mine. Upping the birth takes time and then you wait 20 years for the first workers to arrive. Economic forces don't operate on that kind of time table.

I'm no big fan of immigration but I think we are beyond the time when we could do anything about it. And I mean 40 to 50 years beyond that time. Government has screwed up border control and all of the factors that you name for much too long a time. We now have the more simple choice of allowing illegals to stay or making the (I believe) draconian choice of rounding them up, kicking them out and restricting future immigration. The cost of the latter would be huge, the growth in government to manage it would be huge and the reduction in our standard of living would decline enough that we would all notice. The economic impact would last for decades. The growth in government would last forever. No thanks.

Where's this round up? Everyone's talking about. You do not need a round up to get rid of 11 million people. You control the border stopping the flow. You do maybe 100 IFCO raids. You send employers to jail. You cut benefits to illegals including free education for their kids and you stop the practice of giving citizenship to children born on American soil and start giving citizenship to children born of American citizens. You streamline the worker identification process and you deport any illegal that is picked up by local law enforcement for any reason. This does two things very quickly. It causes the illegals to not be able to provide for themselves or families and it causes companies to seriously thing about what they are doing when it comes to hiring. This will cause a immigration attrition and more illegals will go back on there own then what we could round up anyway. At the same time this is going on the government provides incentives like I mentioned to increase the population. In 10 to 20 years the problem is solved. Or we could do what you suggest and in 20 yrs we will have 100million illegal immigrants in this country and CA, AZ, NM, CO, TX would be part of the US in name only.