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Germans: U.S. More Dangerous than Iran
Davids Medienkritik ^
| April 12, 2006
Posted on 04/12/2006 2:11:09 PM PDT by americanbychoice2
45% of Germans believe the US is a greater thret to world peace than Iran, 28% believe Iran is a greater threat and 16% believe both are equally as dangerous. This is according to a study by the Forsa group authorized by the German television media.
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To: NZerFromHK
How can the US pose a great threat to world peace when it is already waning in influence as the Dave fellow claims?LOL
I'm enjoying these Germany posts of yours immensely. I have a friend who works for the government in DC who is in his 60's and is a great, uh, Germa-phile? You two would get along!
The contradiction you've pointed out only shows that when one side hates the other (Left vs. Right or whatever) they don't hold to a solid philosophical position when they have an opportunity to get a dig in. When emotion rears its head this way one is not arguing from principle but from a core emotional need to "hurt" the other, and what better way to attack the US than to say 'You ain't so powerful!'
You rightly point out that helping Germany was in the US self-interest; of course you are correct, there was no unselfish motive. It just happened to be a win-win all around. But to hear some Germans talk the US and allies were supposed to work EXCLUSIVELY from unselfish motives. That's ok in an individual, 100% unrealistic and frankly false from a nation, which isn't supposed to do things "just because" with its people's wealth.
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posted on
04/12/2006 10:39:41 PM PDT
by
Darkwolf377
(By 2004, annual inflow of foreign-born persons was down 24% from its all-time high in 2000--PEW)
To: Texas Eagle
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posted on
04/12/2006 11:29:35 PM PDT
by
AirForce-TechSgt
(RR's quote is to long to use as a tagline.)
To: Darkwolf377
I was losing my temper towards the anti-American German left. In fact in my normal self I'm one of the Germanphiles around. If I ever have a chance to travel to Europe, I would skip Paris and Italy entirely and go to Germany and Britain. But the anti-American left is quickly getting on my nerves.
In fact, I have no personal strings: I'm not American, just a naturalized New Zealander born as Hong Kong Chinese. The anti-American German left is getting hysterical, it is a good thing that they reap what they sow.
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posted on
04/13/2006 1:14:18 AM PDT
by
NZerFromHK
(Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
To: mollynme
Thanks for providing the link.
To: Txsleuth
I´m not afraid of the US. What do you say now?
I have no explanation for this awful poll, I just hope that Chancellor Merkel will do what she can to change the minds of the 72% dumb people. I´m one of the 28%, without a doubt.
To: ARCADIA
You shouldn´t forget that the German government is united with the US on the Iran issue. Chancellor Merkel and President Bush have a good contact.
Comment #107 Removed by Moderator
To: NZerFromHK
The German "logic professors" are presently working as fruit pickers in Florida.
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posted on
04/13/2006 10:50:30 AM PDT
by
muawiyah
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To: americanbychoice2
1. Most Germans consider themselves cosmopolitan but in reality think provincially. They dont even know what our collective geopolitical interests are as nations or the West. Most German America pundits may have spent a vacation in Florida. They think their intellectual because they know the capital of Austria and call the American an idiot because he does not. But ask the expert in Germany what the capital is of California? A state with more people, more square miles of real-estate, more industry, a bigger GDP than Austria! In fact this state is even lead by a former Austrian! Whats my point? Few Germans or Austrians really know what the US is. Few understand our government, our states, our history or anything else outside that which Der Spiegel (A paper that is in collaboration with the NYTs should give an idea about the reporting and its slant) reports. They just think they know a lot.
2. Many are socialists. Die hard socialists even if they themselves don't know that about themselves. We are ideologically a sore spot. Most socialist states and leaders have a hard time with the US. Thats just a fact.
Many were raised in the former DDR where they were literally indoctrinated, had youth programs-FDJ (Political indoctrination). Even the West was bombarded with radio Moscow. Some organizations were secretly funded from behind the iron curtain (Example: Communist Revolutionary Front)..... To this day you will find MANY Germans who talk about the BRD or "staats organe", language that is a dead give away as to the political programming this individual has received.
3. There are still some hard feelings about WWII for some. Though they started it, though they operated the ovens....... there STILL is some animosity from those B17/24 bomber formations over Germany.
4. Feelings of inferiority/Envy. The French are an extreme case. But even in Germany you have some who think "nationalistically" (This has morphed to this new Pan-European supranational thinking) and many have pride and want to see themselves as number one. When you have one superpower and this nation is so overwhelmingly dominate as the US, you get friction.
5. We are economic competitors. Competition is actually good! But sometimes people loose perspective and sight of their geopolitical interests, their values even when in pursuit of lesser and smaller interests which may simply be some politicians ambitions (Schroeder in the 2002 elections) to get reelected for example. Internal or national interests trump the geopolitical issues. Issues like subsidies, Airbus
. tends to pull us apart. They are lines of contention that often get exploited by some little politician.
Add it all up and you have a situation where many dislike us. Think about how some peace-nick German Green sees the US led by Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Condi and Powell? Are our interests reference Iran really different? Does Germany somehow benefit from a nuclear Iran with long range missiles? Does Germany really benefit from Islamic terror? If Iraq falls apart? If Libya sponsors terrorists as they once did?
Does Germany want its ships hijacked by literal pirates of the African East coast? Do they want the Balkans to destabilize? Do they want their trading partners in Japan, South Korea or elsewhere to be threatened?
Beyond security interests even; does Germany require the importation of vital strategic resources like platinum, gold, oil, and cesium? Whats Germanys interests reference intellectual property rights? Do the Germans want others to violate copy and patent rights?
.
What you have with Germany is a nation that is in a geopolitical sense a close ally since EVERYTHING they want we want. But you have a situation where often petty side bar conflicts over ride the bigger issues. Where envy creates a Schadenfreude within a society as a whole. Where the perception of the German on the street is in conflict with what their actual national interests are!
They are a confused people who dont know who their friends nor their enemies are.
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posted on
04/13/2006 10:38:15 PM PDT
by
Red6
To: americanbychoice2
They STILL won't forget Dresden, will they?
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posted on
04/13/2006 10:44:55 PM PDT
by
grey_whiskers
(The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: WAFFEN
You mean the Balkan war which GERMANY and GREAT BRITAIN were the PRIMARY political instruments of?
You man the war in the Balkans that led to 250,000 refugees in Germany alone and then suddenly Germany developed morals and thought military intervention may be a good idea?
The war where the GERMANS knocked on NATO's door and asked for intervention, which led to a US involvement in the Balkans? A place where we had ZERO national interests.
A war which by our sheer capabilities in Command Control and Communications, combined with A2A, SEAD, and PGM capabilities WE ended up executing more or less? Are you talking about the war where AMERICANS had 32 dead because the Germans and Brits asked for it and seven years later the GERMANS say "NATO im Irak - Nein danke"?
Is that the war youre talking about?
You are incapable of maintaining peace even within your EUROPE- think about that. You are so militarily incompetent that you cant even solve a EUROPEAN problem- think about that one. You so morally weak, such Schaumschlaeger that you even accuse the Ami and talk bad about him after it was YOU who asked for intervention and had all to benefit from this action!
You are a complete idiot. You are not worth my time to write. Go away you troll. Read your:
http://www.resistthewar.de ; www.Spiegel.de and where ever else you get your facts from. Vollidiot.
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posted on
04/15/2006 7:34:55 AM PDT
by
Red6
Comment #113 Removed by Moderator
To: WAFFEN
Its probably before your time, so you cant remember anything when Im talking about all those Refugee camps in Germany with 250,000 Bosnians in them.
I dont think its me with selective memory, or a selective interpretation of history. Its not me denying that Germany and Great Britain were the political engines behind this war. Its not me trying to downplay that the Germans had the most to profit in every sense, even economically since Germany is economically tied into Croatia. Its not me downplaying 32 American deaths to execute a war which Germany asked for and 7 years later this same country refuses help to the ally which cleaned up THEIR inner European mess. Let me make this real clear to you. We didnt recognize Croatia as a sovereign state as Genscher (FDP) did and help destabilize and accelerate the decay of the former YU. While YU was still on the political world map Germany rushed in to quickly recognize Croatia as a sovereign state. Why? Because just like the Serbs are allied with Russia, Germany to this day is aligned with Croatia. We didnt begin WWI, we didnt supply the Serbs like the Russians were, we didnt block intervention as the French because they were aligned with the Serbs and knew that the Serbs as obstructionists to a peace resolution would get bombed.
You are incapable of cleaning up your own mess and when others do it for you because youre to impotent, not to confuse with important, you cant even accept the responsibility for a war you instigated despite the fact that you didnt really execute it. Im not denying its need. The war was needed, but just think of how pathetic a people is who cant even stand up to this? You know the ally who helped you through the Cold War and resolve the Balkans crisis? Yea, thats the same nation who YOU back-stabbed and 7 years later found every excuse in the book as to why you could not, should not, and would not help after 2,900 Americans died in a terrorist attack. Your idea of Uneingeschränkte Solidarität means to reduce the Bundeswehr in Afghanistan to a support role within THREE months of being there. The one whom YOU will run to if Iran raises its ugly head in 5 10 years because of YOU EUROPEANS who lack the balls and capabilities to do anything about is the same nation whom you failed after 2001 and again in 2003. It was no UN, no EU no KSZE that solved that issue in the Balkans. It was the US, and dead soldiers from units like out of Wuertzburg (1ID). Now, in your self pitty and denial of being the key nation to push for armed intervention (Since you cant even stand up to that level of responsibility collectively as a society despite this war being a just and right war with genuine and sincere intentions to help) you in some pathetic attempt even try to deny that your involvement since you're to weak in character to even accept responsibility for something that was morally right and done well.
Youre disgusting, and frankly dont matter. On the global stage you as a nation are loosing in importance. Within 20 years China and India both will pass you economically. You wont even be number three, but have to except position five. About the only thing the US can hope from Germany is that it politically legitimizes any future action against Iran. To weak, no resolve, no capabilities, you at best can only give a blessing in a political sense for those who will eventually do the dirty work. Lets hope you are not so far gone that you cant support even this mission which will benefit you too.
Shut up and go stand on the side line with your Kameraden.
Ich weis was eurer Problem ist: Ihr seit genetisch abgereichert. Nach dem WWI, dann der Zweite wo man auch den Holocaust hatte, nach dem Krieg Kahm eine Massen Auswanderung bis Mitte 50iger, wo später Millionen von Gast Arbeiter usw rein kammen, heute hat man schon 3.6 Millionen Musleme von der Türkei alleine. All dies hat eine Situation geschaffen wo alles was noch übrig ist Schwächlinge sind. Homosexuelle, Sozialisten, Kranke, Perverse, Desatoere, Asylbewerber, Gastarbeiter usw
Das ist was übrig blieb! Die moderne Deutsche Gesellschaft kann beschrieben werden von: Lilo Wanders, Peep, Liebe Sünde, Swinger Clubs und Hampf tragende Deutschsprachige weisneger (Kannst du auch Rapp Musik singen oder vielleicht etwas Breakdance?) die meinten das sie in Jamaika oder from the hood sind. Ich muss hier wirklich zufügen das ich doch etwas verwundert bin wie man als Weiser so gut Dreadlocks hin bekommt wie so mancher in Deutschland. Traegst du auch solch eine farbige Kopfhaube?
Man hat Parteichefs (FDP) die offen Schwul sind Westerwelle, was kann man da noch sagen? Hitler hatte recht mit dem Untergang Deutschlands wenn das Reich versagt. Es Kamm etwas anders wie er es beschrieb, jedoch am Ende hatte er recht insofern das die Männer abgetötet worden sind durch Kriege und der rest Auswanderte. Der moderne Deutsche Man ist sensible und sehr Weiblich. Er hat Gefühle und lebt harmonisch mit der Ökologie und seiner sehr maenichen Frau (Emanze). Zusammengefasst er ist schwul. Junge, finde dir einen schönen Baum, setz dich drunter, und schneide dir deine eigenen Eier ab. Du hasst kein Recht Hoden zu haben.
Das du zu feige bist um nur die Verantwortung zu übernehmen für einen Krieg den ihr anzetelte ist nicht verwunderlich für mich.
Weis du, sogar die in der SS respektiert man. Deshalb hat man viele Kriegstrophäen von ihnen. Es war der Feind und man wollte ihn zerstören, jedoch respektierte man ihn. Genauso war es mit den Deutschen Fallschirmjäger oder das Afrika Korps im Zweiten Weltkrieg. Ossama ist ein Arsch und ich hoffe er stirbt, am besten langsam. Aber sogar ihn respektiere ich. Er wird für seinen Glauben sterben. Er lebt tatsächlich in Höhlen wie ein Nieadertaller so das man ihn nicht ortnen kann. Er wird sich nicht ergeben und nach seinem Tot werden sogar wir nicht von seiner Legende befreit sein in der Islamistichen Welt, weil er The real deal ist. Saddam, er glaubte in nichts außer sich selbst und er ging ins Netz wie das was er ist, ein feiges Schwein. Ihn respektiert man nicht. Sogar unter den Suniten wird er betrachtet, mit recht mus man sagen, das er ein feiges Schwein ist. In was glaubst du? Wie wirst du unter gehen? Was schreibt wohl die Geschichte von dem Deutschland heute oder solche wie dich?
Only you can surrender your dignity. Its something you have to volunteer, and you already have done that.
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posted on
04/15/2006 9:18:22 PM PDT
by
Red6
To: WAFFEN
Nothing can sum up your Europe and folks like you better than this!
http://euobserver.com/9/21384
Ohne großen Jubel oder Werbung wird man sich selbst Zensieren. Man hat sich schon Entschuldigt für die Abbildung von Mohamed. Ihr seit verloren. In euch steckt kein Kampf mehr.
Leute wir du reißen ihren Mund nur mit uns auf weil ihr wisst das wir euch nicht bombardieren werden. Wir werden nicht ein Flugzeug wie die Pan Am 103 in der Luft sprengen. Wir werden keine LaBelle Disko in Berlin in die Luft jagen. Wir werden keine WTC runter bringen. Wir werden kein Pim Fortyn ermorden, oder einen Van Gogh. Wir werden keine Züge in Madrid sprengen oder Busse in London. Nein, wir kämpfen gegen solche, jedoch ihr habt heute schon aufgegeben. Mit Islamistichen Terroristen, Diktatoren wie in Libyen geht man auf die Knie weil die wirklich solche taten begehen und ihr habt nicht mehr den Kampfgeist sich solche zu stellen. Ihr habt nur noch Mut das Maul auf zu reißen mit denen die handeln und keine Gefahr sind für euch. Ich habe regelrecht Mitleid mit die Jenigen die noch in einem Gott, ihr Vaterland, oder in Selbstverantwortung glauben und in einem Land wie Deutschland gefangen sind umgeben von solche wie dich.
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posted on
04/16/2006 9:00:28 PM PDT
by
Red6
To: WAFFEN
Weil du als Europaer so gut aufgeklaert bist:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director) ; Von Islamisten Ermordet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn ; Von Islamisten Ermordet
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/london.bombing/ ; Islamisten Sprengsatz.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2004/madrid.bombing/ ; Islamisten Sprengsatz.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/20/48hours/main668127.shtml ; Islamisten Sprengsatz.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/08/25/russia.planecrash/index.html ; Zwei Flugzeuge entfuehrt und im Boden rein geflogen. (Islamisten)
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/23/russia.siege/ ; Islamisten
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3697987.stm ; Von Islamisten Ermordet
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/asia_pacific/2002/bali/default.stm ; Islamisten Sprengsatz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Perle ; Von Islamisten Ermordet
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3296219.stm ; Islamisten Sprengsatz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks ; 2,900 Menchen sterben Von Islamisten Ermordet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing ; Islamisten Sprengsatz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_U.S._embassy_bombings ; Islamisten Sprengsatz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing ; 1993 Islamisten Sprengsatz.
Ok du kleiner intellektueller Held. Was meinst du wohl passiert zur Zeit in Sudan und wer ist dahinter? Wer steht den hinter die Probleme in Israel? Wer sponsort eine Insurgency in Thailand? Wen bekaempfen die Russen in Chechenien? Was war wirklich in Frankreich hinter den Brand Angriffe vor einigen Monate? Und und und. Es gibt hier ein kleines Problem und es gibt eine Tendenz. Die USA sind zur Zeit der jenige der das Problem bei den Hörnern angreift. Irak, Iran, Sudan, Libyen, Republik Georgien, Israel, Afghanistan
. Alles Plätze wo die USA Politisch, Militaerich, Wirtschaftlich versucht dieses Problem unterem Griff zu bekommen. Es ist in DEINER besten Interesse das der Ami erfolg hat, auch wenn du zu ignorant bist dies zu verstehen. Gott helfe uns wenn Iran eine Atom Waffe bekommt.
Leute wie du wachsen in einer sicheren Nachbarschaft auf. Man hat einen Silbernen Löffel im Mund bei Geburt und meint der Rest der Welt wäre genau so. Unter dem Schutz der NATO aufgewachsen nimmt man es als selbst verstaentlich das man frei ist und sicher aufgehoben in seiner kleinbürgerlichen Welt. Man wird in der Schule, oder sogar in der Uni mit Philosophischen Ideen voll gepumpt aber lebt in Wirklichkeit weit entfernt von der Realität. Was im Irak passiert sieht man als irgendwie abgekapselt von allem anderen Ereignisse und der gesamte Global War On Terror ist nichts mehr wie eine "Reality TV Show" für jemanden wie dich. Man geht sogar so weit mit der Polemik das am Ende der Ami noch schuld ist das die Islamisten uns umbringen wollen! Der Saddam war in den deutschen Medien ja schon fast das Opfer in 2003! Frag dich einmal selbst ob dies noch als ernst zu nehmen ist? Ob dies noch als seriöse oder verantwortungsvoll gelten sollte?
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posted on
04/16/2006 9:49:19 PM PDT
by
Red6
Comment #117 Removed by Moderator
To: WAFFEN
Und das nennt sich "Intellektuell". Deinen tiefen Einblick und Umgangs weise, machen dich ja schon zu einem regelrechtem Fäkal Proleten.
Es wäre doch echt besser wenn du in einem PDS/WASG oder Spiegel Forum dich zu neigen würdest. Dort könntest du andere ähnlich denkende wie dich finden. Ich glaube jedoch das man in diesen Foren ein Mindestalter von 16 haben muss, was in deinem Fall ein Problem sein wird.
http://www.w-asg.de/
http://www.spiegel.de/
You are an oxygen thief. You deprive a village of its idiot. Go away you troll. Go back under the rock you came from.
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posted on
04/17/2006 12:16:17 AM PDT
by
Red6
To: WAFFEN
Geistes geschwächt wäre ein Guter Ausdruck für dich.
Ohne auch ein Rationales Argument, ohne Fakten, nur bewaffnet mit Schrott von einer dubiosen Webpage (Die du gefunden hast weil du grade für das Speziefich Googlest was du in dem Moment finden möchtest) willst du dich hier breit machen als der Grosse man.
Du hast absolut keine Ahnung von was du redest. Deine Empfindung der Realität ist ein Produkt einer Schlechten Schul Ausbildung kombiniert mit eine Indoktrinierung von solch unseriösen Medien wie, Der Spiegel.
Es gibt schon seinen Grund wieso die Bild Zeitung das meist gelesene Blatt ist.
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posted on
04/17/2006 12:36:36 AM PDT
by
Red6
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