Lesbian couple found guilty of boy´s murder: Would not say Daddy.

Alains Newsletter Blog ^ | March 24, 2006

[VU4G10]

A four-year-old boy died after he was brutally assaulted when he refused to call his mother's lesbian lover "Daddy", The Star newspaper reported on Thursday.

Jandre's mother, Hanelie Botha (31), and her partner Engeline de Nysschen (33) appeared in the Vereeniging Regional Court on Wednesday and were found guilty of the boy's gruesome murder.

His father, Jan, sat in court holding the hands of his fiancée, Yolanda Deysel, and listened attentively to Magistrate Rita Willemse, who in her judgement, accepted evidence that among the reasons that led to Jandre's brutal ordeal was his refusal to call De Nysschen "Daddy", the paper said.

The court had heard evidence from Lydia Nkomo and her daughter Aletta Lesiba, who worked for the couple in their tuckshop, that De Nysschen had viciously assaulted Jandre while demanding that he must call her "Daddy".

Both testified that while Jandre was assaulted, his mother failed to intervene or protect him. Evidence showed he had sustained horrific injuries, including a fractured skull and brain damage, as well as broken legs, collarbone, hands and pelvis.

The court accepted the evidence of Professor Mohammed Dada, a trauma expert, who said the boy's injuries were similar to those of a person who had fallen from a double-storey building.

Delivering judgement, Willemse acknowledged there was no substantial evidence linking Hanelie to the assaults, but said she was equally guilty of murder for failing in her legal duty to protect her child against abuse and violation.

The court found she had lied to Dr Elna Gibson, one of the medical doctors who treated Jandre, by saying the boy got his injuries after he had slipped in the bath.

The doctors who had examined Jandre dismissed the pair's version that he had slipped in the bath. They said excessive force was required to inflict the kind of fatal injuries sustained by Jandre.

Convicting the two, Willemse dismissed their version and said there was substantial medical evidence before her about the nature of the injuries suffered by Jandre.

The case was postponed until June 26 for a pre-sentencing report. - Sapa

Johannesburg, South Africa 23 March 2006 08:04

[trubluolyguy]

A four-year-old boy died after he was brutally assaulted when he refused to call his mother's lesbian lover "Daddy", The Star newspaper reported on Thursday.

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He was an obvious homo-phobe right?


Yet one more reason to be disgusted by these perverts.

[jwalburg]

I wondered about the source for this and then went to the Cape Times in South Africa. Sure enough, it's there: http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20060323003352635C383347

Very sick.

[stands2reason]

Not that it matters, but this couple is in South Africa.

[DirtyHarryY2K]

But I don't see this problem as inherent to homosexual adoption.

I just don't think you thought that statement all the way through... The boy was beaten to death by a homosexual.. because the boy would not call her "daddy"

[zip]

A lesbo and a dike get a child who isn't "pc" so they kill him. Great.

Hey, this is the new and improved PC, don't you know?/sarcasm off

On a serious note, if a person can read about the terror and pain this baby indured without shedding tears or at least a lump in their throat, then I feel sorry for that person.

[oldenuff2no]

It makes no difference where this happened. It could have been two gay men wanting the boy to call one of them mommy. It's the same thing. Two people assume they are going to have a relationship and will force their definitions of their family on the rest of the world, starting with a 4 year old boy. They can play make believe that one of them is a man all they want between each other but they do not have the ability to make the rest of the world buy into their fantasy.
I've never heard of any "father, or daddy" ever being anything other than a man. I know several couples where there are two mommies or two dads. Those definitions are real and true.
This one is not.
Somewhere out there is this child's real father. Is it possible that this child had a relationship with that man and knew who and what his father really is? Is it possible that this child resented that another person and definition was being forced on him?
Think about it, there had to be some reason that the child refused this stupid and untrue request.

[SamuraiScot]

I don't see this problem as inherent to homosexual adoption.

It sure was in this case.

[Tired of Taxes]

They need to send this butch kid killing bitch to a male prision.....

Now THAT would be justice!

JUDGE: "If you're a 'Dad', we'd better send you to the men's facility..."

Make sure she has just the right cellmate, too.

[Killborn]

Would sympathy and a murderous rage count?

I'm not the crying type. :|

[AmishDude]

You know, I think a kid would be just as reluctant to call his stepdad "Daddy". I wonder why you don't hear about hetero couples demanding such things from kids and killing them if they don't do it.

I wonder why...

[MineralMan]

Stepfathers kill their stepchildren with alarming frequency. See the story below...it's really recent.

From:
http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=4664039

Stepfather Gets 25 Years for Beating Toddler to Death
March 22, 2006, 05:36 PM CST


The Two Rivers man who beat his two-year-old stepdaughter to death was sentenced to 25 years in prison Tuesday.

Last May, Michael Kowach punched and stomped on the girl because she wouldn't clean her room.

A Manitowoc County judge also sentenced Kowach to ten years of extended supervision when he gets out of prison.

Once he's released, he can't have any contact with the girl's mother, or any unsupervised contact with children under 18, and must visit his stepdaughter's grave once a year.

[AmishDude]

I've observed this for a long time. The homosexual movement can basically be summed up this way: "Accept me on my terms."

Same-sex marriage isn't about partner benefits (except possibly AIDS, I know in the 80s, when gays still didn't want anything to do with marriage, there was much talk about partner benefits). It's about society (I guess in the modern age, that means government.) putting its stamp of approval on your relationship. I'm sure it is to make up for some lack of approval somewhere else (Daddy, in many cases) but it's really indicative of some serious psychological issues.

[AmishDude]

Oh, no doubt.

But not because she failed to call him "Daddy".

[MineralMan]

"But not because she failed to call him "Daddy".
"

No, for not cleaning her room. The excuse is really pretty unimportant.

[DirtyHarryY2K]

The excuse is really pretty unimportant.

Not in this case it isn't. It is substantially important.

[AmishDude]

Actually, the psychological motivations are different and fascinating. In the case of the step-lesbian, there was an obvious self-esteem problem. She wanted the child to validate herself. In the case of the step-father, it is clear he seeked to control. And I'm sure that was obvious to the mother as well. Of course, she was probably attracted to that type and made her life-decisions accordingly.

[MineralMan]

" In the case of the step-lesbian, there was an obvious self-esteem problem. She wanted the child to validate herself. In the case of the step-father, it is clear he seeked to control."

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Interestingly enough, the need to control is generally a self-esteem problem, too. As I said, any excuse is the usual thing in these cases of non-parents who murder the child of a partner, whatever the orientation of the people involved.

I'm sure I could find a case where a child was killed for refusing to call the step-father "father," but I don't have time to dig through all the many newstories of stepfathers doing violent or sexual things to their step-children. It's ugly...every time.

For anyone to murder a child, there has to be something significantly wrong with that person, and self-esteem probably plays a role in it somehow in most cases.

All I'm saying here is that there's nothing in this current ugly case that demonstrates that such crimes are likely in a lesbian relationship involving children. It happened in this case, but there are so many cases where nothing of the sort happens. No conclusions can be drawn.

[zip]

Would sympathy and a murderous rage count

Absolutely. Murderous rage would be a great response. I should have added that. thanks (from an obsessive father, grandfather and greatgrandfather)

[Rytwyng]

I can't think of a method of execution that is cruel enough to do justice to these psycholesbo fiends. Killing them will not satisfy Justice. Instead, they should be flogged and burned almost to death, revived, allowed to heal, then flogged and burned again, etc, over and over for the rest of their lives -- a life sentence of constant torture.

NO, that's not even enough. Life at torture is too short. The scales of justice won't balance unless the torture is eternal.

And it will be. Hallelujah.

Oh, and one other thing.... Has anyone else read far enough into the article to notice that the boy had a father! My guess is, he wouldn't call the psycholesbo "Daddy" becase he already HAD a Daddy, a real Dad, and he knew exactly who he was. I can only hope to be a good enough Dad to inspire the same sort of loyalty in my own little boys. Hope it never comes to that but I'd rather they go down in flames than bow to the sodomites and their idiocy. Hope they'll be old enough to shoot before it comes to that...

[adgirl]

I think it's a case of trying to "norm" the outside world to conform to what they are thinking and feeling inside. But what interesting to me is that no matter what society does to accommodate gays and lesbians about accepting them, it will never be enough. Why? Simply because as long as the laws of nature work as they do in reproduction gays and lesbians will feel a disconnect.