Iran should not be threatened - Russian foreign minister

Interfax Russia ^ | Feb 6 2006

[b2stealth]

Iran should not be threatened - Russian foreign minister

ATHENS. Feb 6 (Interfax) - It is now of paramount importance not to threaten Iran in connection with its nuclear program, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told a Monday press briefing in Athens.

[b2stealth]

I put it in simpler terms, not to go in detail what is NKVD or KGB.

The ChK was renamed many times and active since 1920s. It's role didn't change. So I call all of them KGB. "Secret Police".
Even now it's mission is the same.
It works inside Russia (against Russian citizens) and outside - each embassy has KGB and GRU residence.

So you can say that secret police "NKVD" "KGB" is responsible for million of people killed. I also count here KGB "working" in Vietnam and in other conflicts (where many Americans were killed).

Yes, Putin was Lt. Col. but he was a head of FSB, and now one of the FSB/KGB people as head of state - I think he is a very smart man and uses all his connections and power, would be stupid to think otherwise.

[b2stealth]

>I can find at least 4 bars there - so what?

Public bars in FSB HQ Building?

[Neophyte]

And you were stopped for being unshaved?

Here you are again, spammer! Stealth never said he was, he told Police in Moscow checks people who had not shaved for a day...

[Neophyte]

You realize that you're arguments that Putin is secretly continuing the KGB are about as far fetched as...

Here I'm full heartedly agree with you, my ignoramus X with multiple digits: Vovan doesn't do it secretly, but absolutely openly.

[Neophyte]

Actually it wasn't simply renamed it was split up some of it went to the new FSB, some went to other new agencies, and some was folded into existing agencies.

The former KGB headquarters is now a museum and bar/disco.

So what? They could put a brothel at Lubjanka, how does it prove that KGB is not alive and well?

[Neophyte]

There are both good and bad things in Russia, but they are not as you suggest.

What are the bad things in Russia in your opinion Gary?

Puleeeease, puileeeease, name at least three, I'm really thrilled to hear that from you!

[Neophyte]

It IS a members only bar/disco.

Yeah, and at the gates every member needs to show his certificate of torture chamber proficiency...

[Neophyte]

I know NO ONE...

That's true, you know no one and not a thing about anything.

[Neophyte]

First of all, Comintern was NOT a KGB-run operation... and so on, the old tired spam to eternity.

Your Majesty, it was already told just several inches above your post that renaming the Russian/Soviet secret police doesn't change it's substance and raison d'etre.

So Comintern WAS a Cheka/NKVD operation, wasn't it?

A little bit citing is suitable in this place:

...by 1998 the intelligence elite emerged openly into positions of authority, especially in the presidential apparatus. To mention but a few examples, Sergei Ivanov, Putin Minister of Defence, spent 18 years in the KGB-FSB. Oleg Chernov (Deputy Chairman of the Security Council), Alexander Manzhosin (First Deputy Head of the Presidential Directorate for Foreigh Policy), Igor Sechin (Putin chief secretary and deputy chief of the Kremlin administration) and Victor Ivanov (deputy chief of Kremlin administration in charge of personnel) are long-time senior veterans of the KGB - all of them surely are members of that exclusive bar/disco mentioned by the X-Ignoramus with multiple digits.

[Romanov]

You're confusing the NKVD with the Central Committee of the CPSU. The CC CPSU is the organization that set up, ran, and funded the ComIntern. The NKVD were just the guys getting the cash to the commies in Europe/USA and elsewhere.

As to the rest of your post, some of those guys are no longer running things - they've been replaced. Some by ex-KGB guys, some by apparatchiks. Don't know why you're worried - if what they've "accomplished" in Chechnya, Moldova, Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan is any indicator you should be applauding their ineptitude.

[A CA Guy]

The Russians are right, we should NOT threaten the Iranians, we should directly ACT!

[Romanov]

There is also a "Sedmoj Kontinent" grocery store in one of their buildings - remember they have more than one building in that square. Some enterprising "businessmen" set up a disco in the building that locals swear a lot of the executions took place in during the purges. The called it "Laboratoriya Iks" - a reference to the infamous Laboratory X that Pavel Sudaplatov wrote about (see: Wallenberg, etc.). It was a big hit, but like most clubs could not keep up with the competition and closed down. Another club - the "Hungry Duck" - one of the world's most
infamous bars in the 90s was also housed in the area.

The museum that has been referenced on here is not worth the trip. Unless you want some retired KGB Colonel telling you how they were the real victims in the purges.. (and with a straight face). It's 40 bucks to get in, they only have tours on Thursdays and the tour is in Russian. No wandering from the group!

[x5452]

I posted to someone or other an exhaustive list of tourist web sites that make plain save a couple floors remaining in use of paper pushers that the KGB Lubyanaka building is now the KGB museum and members-only officiers club complete with bar and disco.

But I'm sure 30 travel web sites are just part of some secret KGB plan to takeover the world.

[GarySpFc]

What are the bad things in Russia in your opinion Gary?
Puleeeease, puileeeease, name at least three, I'm really thrilled to hear that from you!

1. The Mafia and crime.
2. The outdated airplanes on domestic flights.
3. The two sets of prices many places have, one set for tourists and the second set for Russian citizens.

[GarySpFc]

What are the bad things in Russia in your opinion Gary?
Puleeeease, puileeeease, name at least three, I'm really thrilled to hear that from you!

This is to continue the list of 3 items you requested to show I am more than fair:

4. A socialized medical system that is sometimes primitive, unless you have extra money.
5. The way they treat new recruits in the Russian army.
6. The excessive drinking of some Russian men.
I will add a seventh item.
7. In Volgograd an Internet connection, which is only 36k. I suspect they have broadband in Moscow and St. Petersburg, but I am not aware of it.

Now, I have been more than fair, but I expect the same from you. Please tell me 3 things which are wrong with "your attitude" towards Russia?

[b2stealth]

Vovan doesn't do it secretly, but absolutely openly.

A+ !!!!!!

Here is your "Christian" Putin in a sex orgy with terrorist group HAMAS..

Putin says will invite Hamas to Moscow

[b2stealth]

>Now, I have been more than fair, but I expect the same >rom you. Please tell me 3 things which are wrong >th "your attitude" towards Russia

Not hating KGB agents enough.. Needs to work on that..

[b2stealth]

>1. The Mafia and crime

Putin - is #1 Mafia guy. Nothing is sold without his administration ok.

[nmh]

Yeah ... they have too many JUCIY financial contracts with them. So for the sake of lining the pockets of Russia, all should back off so Russia can profit.

[GarySpFc]

Here is your "Christian" Putin in a sex orgy with terrorist group HAMAS..

There are honest people, and then there are individuals who lie by various means. One method is by not reporting the full truth, and in this case the above individual has shown his colors. I do not have a problem with criticizing Russia or Putin when they are wrong, but lying is wrong. I have excerpted a few paragraphs, and the link is at the bottom of this post. The first paragraph is for some of the posers here.

"There are devoted Sovietologists who do not understand what is happening in our country, do not understand the changing world," Putin said. "They deserve a very brief response: 'To hell with you.' "

"Our position on Hamas is different from that of the United States and Western Europe," said Putin, speaking at an annual news conference in the Kremlin. "The Russian Foreign Ministry has never regarded Hamas as a terrorist organization. But this does not mean that we totally approve and support everything that Hamas has done."

Russia joined with the four other permanent members of the U.N. Security Council -- the United States, Britain, France and China -- and Germany in London on Monday to call on Hamas to renounce violence and recognize Israel's right to exist. In the news conference, Putin called on Hamas to engage with international governments and repeated the call for recognition of Israel's right to exist. But he said the diplomatic process to find a solution to the conflict should not be dominated by the United States.

"I think if we want to deal with complex global problems, we only have to do this together," he said. "And we should not invite certain participants in some or other process to make cats' paws of them," using an expression that means to toy with someone. "We should sit down together and listen and hear what others say, and we should make concerted decisions."

Putin Says Russia, U.S. Differ on Hamas Win