Iran should not be threatened - Russian foreign minister

Interfax Russia ^ | Feb 6 2006

[b2stealth]

Iran should not be threatened - Russian foreign minister

ATHENS. Feb 6 (Interfax) - It is now of paramount importance not to threaten Iran in connection with its nuclear program, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told a Monday press briefing in Athens.

[GarySpFc]

The problem is your hate has blinded you to the point you believe everything bad about Russia and nothing good.

There are both good and bad things in Russia, but they are not as you suggest.

[x5452]

We should question him to see if it was the same folks who poisoned Yushchenko! Afterall Yushchenko himself is stonewalling on who did it, maybe this is a lead! LMAO.

[b2stealth]

Yeah, right -

>The former KGB headquarters is now a museum and bar/disco.

It's still official FSB HQ.
Here is what happens to people who try to show up near "bar/disco" - http://www.russiancleveland.com/common/arc/story.php/248806

[b2stealth]

>There are both good and bad things in Russia, but they >are not as you suggest.

You right. The bad things -

Putin's support of criminals, antiWest people, N.Korea, Cuba, HAMAS, Iran, Syria, Belarus etc..

[b2stealth]

>e FSU are pretty turned off to politics and not >interested in voting.

When they are given FREE ELECTIONS like in Ukraine or Georgia they turn out in large numbers.

Nobody wants to vote if everybody knows Putin going to win with 75% of fake votes.

This is why they were concerned - it would be funny if Putin was elected by 75% with no people voting..

[x5452]

It IS a members only bar/disco.

[x5452]

I know several Russians and have family from Siberia to Crimea.

I know NO ONE who feels that their vote would be ignored, or feels afraid to vote.

[b2stealth]

>I know NO ONE who feels that their vote would be ignored

Party members of SPS, Yabloko, Kasparovs block and others "feels that their vote would be ignored" - or these people don't exist either?

[b2stealth]

>It IS a members only bar/disco

Where did you get this info? Lyubyanka is FSB HQ, what "bar/disco"?

[x5452]

Soros backs Yabloko, and other opposition.

You'll note MoveOn.org made sweeping allegations of voter disenfranchisment as well, and it was BS.

[b2stealth]

>Soros backs Yabloko, and other opposition.

>You'll note MoveOn.org made sweeping allegations of voter >disenfranchisment as well, and it was BS.

Soros backs Bush in demanding more transparency from Putin - does that makes Bush - B.S.?

You have invalid logic, how did we jumped from USSR/Russia fixed voting system to US?

Please, stay on topic - Russian election system.

BTW, MoveOn.org = Communist party = KGB = KGB Officer = Putin

[x5452]

KGB Museum (The "Chekist" Hall of the KGB of the USSR)
It is a great opportunity to visit the old KGB building, a focus of Russians' dread for years. There are four rooms showing the history of one of the world's most famous security organizations. There are displays of their methods, as uncovered by former KGB agents. The Hall was created for professional training and educating of the State Security services employees. Some stands comment the events of mass repression during Stalin's period and scrupulous work for rehabilitation. A separate hall illustrates the security services activity during the World War II. There are some pictures of the apprehension and foreign agents caught red-handed and the accomplices of that. The exhibits are always of great interest.

Duration - about 1,5 hours

http://www.traveligit.com/service/excursion.htm

And others:
http://www.economist.com/cities/displayobject.cfm?obj_id=472076&city_id=MCW
http://www.russia-travel.com/excursions/moscow/communists/
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/russia/kgb/lubyanka.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubyanka_%28KGB%29
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:iICTcPB5G5IJ:www.gotorussia.net/newsletter1/the_attraction_in_moscow.htm+site:gotorussia.net+lubyanka&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=safari
http://www.waytorussia.net/Moscow/KitaiGorod.html
http://www.trans-siberian.co.uk/pages/trip.asp?trip=Moscow+%26+St.Petersburg+city+excursions

[x5452]

LMAO yes Putin hates Soros and Soros hates Putin because MoveOn.Org and the Kremlin are both communists. That makes so little sense it's hilaerous.

[x5452]

The KGB was dissolved officially in December 1991, a few weeks before the Soviet Union itself. Foreign observers saw the end of the KGB as a sign that democracy would prevail in the newly created Russian Federation. But President Yeltsin did not completely eliminate the security apparatus. Instead, he dispersed the functions of the former KGB among several different agencies, most of which performed tasks similar to those of the various KGB directorates.

After the creation of fifteen new states from the republics of the former Soviet Union, the territorial branches of the former KGB were transferred to the control of the new governments of these states, each of which made reforms deemed appropriate to the political and national security needs of the regime in power. The Russian Federation, however, which as the RSFSR had housed KGB central operations in Moscow, inherited the bulk of the KGB's resources and personnel. As early as January 1992, five separate security agencies had emerged in Russia to take the place of the KGB. Four of them were concerned with internal security; the fifth was the Foreign Intelligence Service, which replaced the KGB's First Chief Directorate.

http://www.photius.com/countries/russia/government/russia_government_successor_agencies_t~10861.html

[b2stealth]

Dear Comrade, denying KGB existence will not change reality.

KGB was renamed many times in soviet history.

KGB was transformed in to FSB - same people, same departments, a little restructuring - same principle - secret police. Or you will deny that FSB is a secret police?

Putin always talks about "great" USSR, kgb etc. He is invited to all KGB/FSB parties where he gives nice speeches. He even put back monument to Andropov - head of KGB whose orders killed many people.

Putin is proud of USSR and his service at KGB during soviet era. Just to remind you KGB is responsible for killing TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE!!!

KGB was responsible for Commintern, for CPUSA, for all leftist movements in Europe and America since 1920.

If you don't know KGB was providing let's say France green movement with RPG to fire on France nuclear power stations and so on - it's called "spec operation" - Putin's favorite term.

So if any of those movement like CPUSA during perestroika or Soros during Putin _dared_ to turn against KGB they were cut off from funds and eliminated - see history of CPUSA or Soros history in Russia.

Go study your history comrade..

[b2stealth]

So you found out that Lubyanka is still FSB Headquarters? Good for you.. now try to find your "bar" dear comrade..

[Thunder90]

Putin has links to Soros (Soros is KGB)! He is using the Ukraine issue to whip up anti-American hysteria in Russia.

[Romanov]

First of all, Comintern was NOT a KGB-run operation. It was a means for the Soviet communist party to funnel funds to, as you indicated, foreign communist/socialist movements. The Comintern was disbanded by Stalin in 1947 (Care to tell us when the KGB was formed?) and replaced by the Cominform (same mission though). This was strictly a Communist Party run program.

The FSB is not the equivalent of the KGB. Not the "same people, same departments" as you say. The FSB is a counter-intelligence organization, more like the FBI. The SVR is a completely separate agency and deals with Foreign Intelligence (like the CIA). That's two totally separate agencies instead of one.

You cheapen your argument once again by your inaccuracies. The KGB was not technically responsible for millions of deaths. They were responsible for deaths, yes, and probably in the thousands. However, those millions of deaths you allude to were ordered by the highest levels of Soviet Government and the blame lies on the Communist Party. The NKVD and later the MVD were the thugs who carried out the CPSU orders.

Putin and the KGB. Don't overembellish his role. He was a Lt. Col. in the First Main Directorate (Foreign Intel). He was sent to East Germany, but in Dresden, not East Berlin. This signifies that a.) he didn't have a "patron" helping him along and b.) he wasn't trusted to do much more than establish informers in a minor Germany city.

You're giving these guys too much credit (KGB/FSB). They're having all kinds of problems attracting younger people to their service (good). They've also proven inept and incapable of preventing terrorist attacks within their own borders. Furthermore, if you look at the so-called "spy scandals" - the one in March 2001 and the one last month, you see a keystone cop element to their activities.

[Romanov]

I can find at least 4 bars there - so what?

[Romanov]

I can find at least 4 bars there - so what?