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American Christians: Get a Grip!
November 29 2005 | Steve Fletcher

Posted on 11/29/2005 11:36:32 AM PST by Pastor Fletcher

Please, PLEASE, tell me you are kidding!

When I saw the line “’A Petition to Stop the Ban on the Use of "Christmas" By Major Retailers” I thought it was a joke. I was not taken back by the possibility of retailers ‘banning Christmas.” No, I was taken back by the absurdity of a petition to address this issue.

Christians in America, will you please wake up and get a grip? We are so focused on the “culture war” we are neglecting the battle for the souls of men. The slippery slope is not the eventual dechristianization of America. GOOD GRIEF! The slippery slope is the growing distraction away from the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Why are Christians asking non-Christians to live, act and think like Christians? We have been begging the public schools to pray to God for us. We have been all hot and bothered because our courts will not publicly display the Word of God for us. Now, we are miffed that retailers do not love the Son of God for us. This latest tempest in a teapot is indicative of how desperate Christians are to be embraced by the culture.

We have got our heads buried so deep in our history books that we have lost our theological and biblical vision. If the only way we can “keep Christ in Christmas” is to boycott Walmart for saying “Happy Holidays” we have the problem, not Wal-Mart. The sad ironies of this are profound.

We preach, “You cannot serve God and mammon.” Yet, when the local retailer does not serve up our mammon with the proper Christian greeting, we take our maxed out credit cards and go buy our mammon elsewhere. We are using money to bribe if not outright extort retailers into making us more comfortable with our own convictions. We have become Simon the Sorcerer for the new millennium. We are telling retailers “say what pleases me, and I will give you money.” When the world will not give us what we want, we whine and complain like spoiled children. Our boycott is little more than sophisticated temper tantrum. Miffed, we sign our petitions and take our money to the closest store that will gladly tell us what we want to hear as long as we bring our money.

What’s next: “Concerned Christians Petition Satan to Stop Being So Mean.”


TOPICS: Religion
KEYWORDS: ban; christmas; culturewars; evangelism; firstdayvanity; foodforthought; kernaloftruth; pastor; petition; postandrun; thanksforposting; walmart; yawn; zot
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To: apackof2

anytime! :)


21 posted on 11/29/2005 11:51:28 AM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: Americanwolf
"do you have that copyrighted yet?"

I give you a perpetual license to use the term as much as you like.

22 posted on 11/29/2005 11:52:02 AM PST by joebuck
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To: joebuck

Thanks! :)

it is a classic..


23 posted on 11/29/2005 11:52:54 AM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: GLDNGUN

"And, oh. MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

Yes, an early Merry Christmas to all, including you, Pastor postandrun.


24 posted on 11/29/2005 11:53:04 AM PST by gate2wire
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To: Pastor Fletcher

An interesting point, I hadn't thought of it that way before.

I can see it about commercial enterprises not being forced to be "Christian". I would say though that it was a sad day in our nation's history when prayer was banned from school. It's not that Christians need it, it's that it was clearly good for children, as discipline in our schools steadily declined since then. I do believe there's a direct correlation there.

Also, it opened the door for this insane policy of "separation of church and state". There was never supposed to be such a "separation" as we've seen today. Local communities were supposed to be able to decide their own fate, especially when it came to religious expression. Now, everything is becoming increasingly centralized, with virtually no local control. The founding fathers never wanted that. I think they would cringe at the notion of a tiny minority of atheists in Washington deciding a decent, Christian community in Indiana cannot put a nativity scene on their local town hall lawn.

But, you do make a good point about the focus seemingly only on the political. Christians should be involved in every aspect of society, not just politics, that's the best way to truly spread the Good News. I don't think we should abandon such fights, but we shouldn't make political fights our only ones.


25 posted on 11/29/2005 11:53:16 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Pastor Fletcher
What’s next: “Concerned Christians Petition Satan to Stop Being So Mean.”

From a liberal? Maybe......

26 posted on 11/29/2005 11:53:23 AM PST by b4its2late (If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests?)
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To: GLDNGUN
"Ha ha. Don't you mean HOLY TROLLER."

Yep, the original misspelling of Holy was a typo. I just washed my keybord and can't do a THING with it.

27 posted on 11/29/2005 11:54:06 AM PST by joebuck
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To: Pastor Fletcher
OK, I'm short on time to give a long argument to your sermon, but here's a short one. Godly men (and women) fighting for their community is not a new Idea. God sent Jonah to Nineveh : "Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry out against it; for their wickedness has come up before Me." Jonah 1:2

We all know how that worked out for Jonah when he decided not to do it. As "American Christians" we believe that our lives have been blessed by God by giving us this great country. As American Christians who study history we also know that the fall of all great societies has been marked by the rejection of God and the acceptance of immorality as normal. Tell me what could possible be wrong with Christians standing up for what they believe and protecting their home and God's blessings from destruction.

28 posted on 11/29/2005 11:55:30 AM PST by txroadkill
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To: Pastor Fletcher

Spreading the gospel is certainly our most important goal.

But the two are not separate issues. Not only is Christmas a wonderful outreach program that spreads the gospel message to the non-Christian world, but allowing the gospel to be taken out of Christmas creates a secular story of Christ that will compete against the gospel message.

I suspect that there is no other time of the year, when the gospel message is presented as often and as clear as at Christmas. Retail stores carry (or did) scripture on Christmas cards, nativity scenes, etc. The festivities attract participation by non-Christians. Church perform passion plays which outreach to the community. And more than any other time of the year, charitable acts are done in the name of Christ.

To say "Gospel, Gospel, Gospel" and ignore the secularization of Christmas is to allow the destruction of one of the best vehicles for spreading that Gospel.

We must fight these smaller battles at the same time we seek to spread the Gospel.


29 posted on 11/29/2005 11:56:05 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: joebuck
Yep, the original misspelling of Holy was a typo

Ahh, well HOLLY works as well. 'Tis the season. :-)

30 posted on 11/29/2005 11:57:19 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Pastor Fletcher
...we take our maxed out credit cards and go buy our mammon elsewhere. We are using money to bribe if not outright extort retailers into making us more comfortable with our own convictions. We have become Simon the Sorcerer for the new millennium. We are telling retailers “say what pleases me, and I will give you money.”

A company or organization that does not cater to the wishes of the customer is one that is in danger of seeing that customer go elsewehre for his/her needs.

So, yes, Christians have the right to complain and get their wishes granted. If a company doesn't want to recognize that Christmas is about Christianity and that Christmas trees are a symbol of Christmas, then the customer should, if she or he wishes, transact his business elsewhere. Businesses and capitalism and even government should not be immune to the feelings of the MAJORITY of the people.

If a religiuus minority wishes to have their religious symbols represented at stores at their appropriate times, I'm sure that the majority of Christians would not be offended. So, why should a minority religion be offended by the Christian symbols.

Using religious symbols around religious holidays is not the same as imposing a certain religious belief on another group. Religous tolerance is the key to managing the many different religions that exist in societies. No one religious group, large or small, has the right to impose restrictions on the way a store does business.

So, buddy, it is not extortion. It is the stores complying with the wishes of the customer. Doing otherwise would be submitting to the extortions from the supposedly offended other religions or groups.
31 posted on 11/29/2005 12:00:09 PM PST by adorno
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To: Pastor Fletcher
What is mammon anyway
32 posted on 11/29/2005 12:01:20 PM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: Pastor Fletcher

My 11-year-old brother's bus driver is not allowed to play Christmas music on the radio because two atheist kids on the bus object to it...


33 posted on 11/29/2005 12:06:44 PM PST by RedBeaconNY (Vous parlez trop, mais vous ne dites rien.)
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To: cripplecreek; Pastor Fletcher
The good "Pastor" joined today to get all preachy on us and doesn't have the internal spirit to stick around to defend himself? When does the zotting commence?

Pastor, you are full of horse sh*t. The "culture war" IS about the battle for the souls of men. The socialist left in America is deconstructing our country, and it started with the removal of morality, Christ in specific, from our society.

34 posted on 11/29/2005 12:10:43 PM PST by infidel29 ("We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Americanwolf

"What is mammon anyway"

dont know if thats a serios question or not, but just in case..

Riches, avarice, and worldly gain personified as a false god in the New Testament.

from dictionary.com


35 posted on 11/29/2005 12:11:21 PM PST by ndt
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To: ndt

thank for the definition... it was a serious question.


36 posted on 11/29/2005 12:12:08 PM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: Pastor Fletcher

37 posted on 11/29/2005 12:13:42 PM PST by BushCountry (They say the world has become too complex for simple answers. They are wrong.)
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To: Pastor Fletcher

Oh yes, Pastor Felcher, member since today. Nothing to see here American Christians, move along. All is well! Achtung! Schnell! Get into zee boxcar!


38 posted on 11/29/2005 12:16:36 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: infidel29

I ran into a guy using the screen name "servant of Christ" in a local forum. Turned out that the "servant" was much more interested in preaching the virtues of socialist medicine in Canada.

I let my wife explain that she treats a large number of Canadian patients who come to this country seeking treatment they want and need rather than the treatment the state decides they need. I suspect the situation is common in all of our northern border states.


39 posted on 11/29/2005 12:17:29 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Pastor Fletcher
PF you may think this is hogwash, but the ultimate goal of the secularists is to strip our culture of anything Christian.

IB4Z?

40 posted on 11/29/2005 12:18:27 PM PST by cf_river_rat (Tag Line temporarily out of service.)
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