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France’s Ramadan Uprising - a Ticking Bomb for Europe (DEBKA Alert)
DEBKAfile Special Report ^ | November 7, 2005, 3:44 PM (GMT+02:00)

Posted on 11/07/2005 11:04:55 AM PST by strategofr

The violent riots spreading across France took several worrying directions Sunday night, Nov. 6, and Monday. The mostly Muslim gangs of youths began surging out of the immigrant suburbs to invade town centers; they fired their first gunshots at policemen; the number of torched cars peaked to 1,400; and disturbing new slogans were hurled, depicting Paris as ”Baghdad-on-the Seine” and their campaign as the start of Europe’s Ramadan Intifada.

A single slogan made a mockery of president Jacques Chirac’s efforts of the last three years to distance France from President George W. Bush’s Iraq war. Furthermore, the French government’s helplessness in quelling the trouble is encouraging other European communities to follow suit - in Denmark, Belgium, Spain and Sweden, for starters.

Chirac, after lying low for 10 days, finally called an emergency security meeting in Paris Sunday, Nov. 6. He then promised arrests, trials and punishment for those who “sow violence or terror” across France. But politics as usual held him back from instituting tough measures or naming those responsible for the violence, let alone deploying the necessary forces. French police are still under orders not to open fire unless fired on first. No names have been released of ringleaders despite several hundred arrests.

Saturday, Nov. 5, as the disorders went into their second week, the French prosecutor-general Yves Bot said he had detected an organized hand and a strategy behind the riots. Witnesses reported vehicles without number-plates distributing petrol bombs. A fuel bomb factory was in fact discovered Sunday in Paris with 150 bottles and gallons of gasoline ready to distribute to the bands of arsonists. Also found there were masks to hide rioters’ faces. In Clichy-sour-Bois, where the accidental electrocution of two teenagers in flight from the police ignited the first protests, residents said: This is just the beginning.

There are plenty of indications that the riots are not simply spontaneous outbursts of frustration by disadvantaged youths of North and black African descent, but centrally organized mayhem, an “intifada” activated by Muslim networking.

The Chirac-de Villepan government, trying to live down interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy’s provocative pledge to deal with what he called “scum,” is not acknowledging this. Because they refuse to recognize the rampage for what it is, they are withholding the forces required to restore order and so letting the danger get out of hand. Police, firemen and paramedics are no match for a fast developing civil war. The army will have to be brought in at some point, preferably sooner rather than later. For a start, marksmen need to be posted to pinpoint the ringleaders and the bottle-bomb wielders targeting cars, schools, shops, warehouses and public buildings.

France’s leaders, like the British and Dutch, are clinging to the hope that sympathetic dialogue with moderate Muslims will calm the street, despite all the evidence that radical, activist Muslims do not heed established Islamic authorities. On Nov. 6, the Union of Islamic Organizations in France, UOIF, issued a fatwa forbidding Muslims to seek “divine grace” by blindly attacking private and public property and urging meditation and calm.

The following night, bands of marauding Muslim youths extended their areas of attack from outlying city districts to urban centers and started shooting at police officers.

The controlling hand, far from being legitimate Muslim authority, is beginning to emerge as the very organization that has for several years been recruiting young fighters in French Muslim ghettos fight al Qaeda’s wars against the West in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Iraq and other sectors.

On February 20, 2004, DEBKA-Net-Weekly and DEBKAfile were first to reveal the extent of al Qaeda’s penetration of West Europe. They turned up French intelligence statistics which estimated that “al Qaeda had recruited in France between 35,000 and 45,000 fighters and was organizing them in military-style units. They meet regularly for training in the use of weapons and explosives, combat tactics and indoctrination and are controlled from local and district command centers under the organization’s national French command.”

“In Germany, Al Qaeda’s numbers are estimated at 25,000 to 30,000 men.”

To read the original article, click HERE

Today, French counter-terror sources are willing to admit, albeit on the quiet and not for attribution, that those clandestine terrorist cells may well be at the bottom of the current riots. They note the history of the Palestinian uprising, which kicked off in 1987 with stones and petrol bombs, only to evolve into a suicidal terrorist war by the late nineties. They fear this process may be beginning - not just in France but in the rest of Europe too, that the covert nucleus of trained and indoctrinated Islamic terrorists al Qaeda buried inside Europe is being turned against the continent, starting in France.


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KEYWORDS: france; insurgency; intifada; jihad; parisriots; quagmire; surrender; terrorism; uprising
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To: doc30

" No real action has been taken against the rioters for fear of being called racist."

Thanks for the on site report. Unfortunately, we can all understand the paralysis created by fears of racism charges only too well. Even in the U. S., we have never really succeeded in instituting profiling for young Muslims. Though the government denies that such profiling is prohibited, it seems that in fact, it is prohibited.


121 posted on 11/07/2005 12:30:41 PM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: strategofr

I'm waiting for the raghead islamofascists here to get the idea they can do the same thing.


122 posted on 11/07/2005 12:33:46 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Yves Bot said he had detected an organized hand and a strategy behind the riots

And now that we have detected this we are going to sit down and think for a while. And in a couple weeks we will come up with a plan to protect those parts of france that might still be standing.

123 posted on 11/07/2005 12:36:13 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Fruitbat

(Oh good! FINALLY! A meeting.)

If those thugs know what's good for them, they will disband before there is a pronouncement!


124 posted on 11/07/2005 12:48:31 PM PST by winner3000
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To: Right Wing Assault
And in a couple weeks we will come up with a plan to protect those parts of france that might still be standing.

And we will protect them with what we do best...


125 posted on 11/07/2005 12:54:10 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ('Deserves' got nothing to do with it.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

One reason I support the war on terrorism is that it is encouraging people to go home where they belong. So far 3.5 million Afghans have returned to Afghanistan. Iraqi refugees are starting to return, too. Bring our troops home and let the tyrants take over again, if you want millions of Middle eastern refugees flooding into America.


126 posted on 11/07/2005 1:16:06 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: strategofr
Publicly, muslims issued the following statement...

On Nov. 6, the Union of Islamic Organizations in France, UOIF, issued a fatwa forbidding Muslims to seek “divine grace” by blindly attacking private and public property and urging meditation and calm.

Privately, the gave the go-ahead for more of the same violence...

The following night, bands of marauding Muslim youths extended their areas of attack from outlying city districts to urban centers and started shooting at police officers.

Followers of TROP hard at work...

127 posted on 11/07/2005 1:22:42 PM PST by NoClones
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To: strategofr
They turned up French intelligence statistics which estimated that “al Qaeda had recruited in France between 35,000 and 45,000 fighters and was organizing them in military-style units.

I find this hard to believe. 35,000 fighters recruited in France alone? There may not be 35,000 identified Al Qaeda in the entire world. It would seem that 35,000 radicals trained by al Qaeda would be difficult to find.

128 posted on 11/07/2005 1:28:21 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: polymuser

My sentiments exactly.


129 posted on 11/07/2005 3:15:18 PM PST by keats5
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To: strategofr
"French police are still under orders not to open fire unless fired on first."

Oh good. So they've apparently issued them ammunition.

How is having a molotov cocktail tossed at one not consiidered 'being under fire'?

130 posted on 11/07/2005 3:15:23 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: strategofr

Chirac spent the first week in Baton Rouge and then blamed Bush for not sending FEMA quick enough.


131 posted on 11/07/2005 4:01:57 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from earth. Liberals are from Uranus.)
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To: John Semmens
Jean-Francois Cordet, the top government official for the troubled Seine-Saint-Denis region north of Paris said he is at a loss on what to do next. "Our police have been employing our basic policy of strategic capitulation, but it doesn't seem to be having the same salubrious effects it has in the past," said Cordet. "In 1940, strategic capitulation quickly led to peace between France and Germany. These Muslim ruffians do not play by civilized rules."

Is that what you call peace??? What a joke!

132 posted on 11/07/2005 4:17:00 PM PST by JWojack (Karen Williams or Diane Sykes or Janice Rogers Brown for the Supreme Court!)
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To: Fruitbat
I was being facetious. But I'm not so sure that it wouldn't happen in selected areas. Some places are not "armed." Liberal states have some very stringent gun laws. Interestingly, that's generally where the highest concentrations of muslims are. But in this country, if this were to happen in Detroit for instance, I don't see the initial response being much different than it is in France right now. Far too liberal there. Leadership that hasn't a clue also.

Liberal area or not, Bush could just send in the military, regardless of the local leaders, since, by definition, it would be an insurrection, and it is legal to send in the military whenever there is an insurrection. And we've seen that that whenever the military moves in, the situation improves dramatically, with New Orleans being a recent example...

133 posted on 11/07/2005 4:23:14 PM PST by JWojack (Karen Williams or Diane Sykes or Janice Rogers Brown for the Supreme Court!)
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To: Zack Nguyen

35,000 is far less than 1% the French Islamic population. It's very believable.


134 posted on 11/07/2005 4:57:23 PM PST by JWojack (Karen Williams or Diane Sykes or Janice Rogers Brown for the Supreme Court!)
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To: TXBSAFH

Just cleaned my REM-700 police special 300 WIN-MAG again last night...just in case!!


135 posted on 11/07/2005 5:06:13 PM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: Fruitbat
It most likely won't. Main reason being is the rags know every forth person in this country has a weapon, and 2 out of every four possessing a weapon has an itchy trigger finger and look like they would not hesitate. History shows that the spineless Arab fighters attack unarmed citizens. Women and children. They are the afterbirth of human society. I wish I had the words to say here and now to provoke all out war with these pieces of sh!t....

Down with Islam...

136 posted on 11/07/2005 5:15:31 PM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: Fruitbat

"Keep on it!"

Thanks.


137 posted on 11/07/2005 6:13:04 PM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: NoClones

" TROP" ?


138 posted on 11/07/2005 6:15:00 PM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: NoClones

"Publicly, muslims issued the following statement...

Privately...the opposite"

SOP for Leftists in general and Russians (and before them, Soviets) in particular. That's right, I believe, the Islamacists function as an element of the Worldwide Left. I don't believe that their actions mesh perfectly with the rest of the Worldwide Left by chance. When I see an army making maneuvers, I don't have to observe the command structure to know that there is one.


A big fuss is made about the idea that the Russians, having created 20th-century terror, are now such big anti-terrorist warriors. They parade the Chechen thing (by the way, in his 1993 book, Golitzyn analyzed the first Chechen war and decreed it a complete fake.) When the first Chechen bomb went off in Moscow, there were numerous reports from inside Russia that the FSB was suspected to be the people who actually set off the bomb. Similar reports came about when the second Chechen bomb went off in Moscow.

Then the Beslan thing happened and everybody "knew" that it was real. The FSB would never set up something that caused children to be killed. No one thought it was odd that, even though the Spetnaz had many days to set up a perimeter, terrorists still broke through the promoter and escaped. And besides, the Russians assured us that they had run down and killed all the terrorists who did escape outside the perimeter. Conveniently, we have to take the word of the Russian security forces for these killings, as they happened outside the view of the many witnesses present your perimeter.

Now the public has become aware of the fact that the Russians are both building the nuclear reactors that supply Iran with material that can be made into atomic weapons and are providing them with the technology for intercontinental ballistic missiles. Iran, the country in the world that is most supportive to terrorism. Yet, we are supposed to believe that these things are unconnected.


139 posted on 11/07/2005 6:31:24 PM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: Fruitbat

Guess it depends on where you live. Seems to me like the World Trade Center was in a fairly high profile location, too, but that didn't stop them.


140 posted on 11/08/2005 8:32:31 AM PST by 3AngelaD
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