Posted on 11/07/2005 11:04:55 AM PST by strategofr
The violent riots spreading across France took several worrying directions Sunday night, Nov. 6, and Monday. The mostly Muslim gangs of youths began surging out of the immigrant suburbs to invade town centers; they fired their first gunshots at policemen; the number of torched cars peaked to 1,400; and disturbing new slogans were hurled, depicting Paris as ”Baghdad-on-the Seine” and their campaign as the start of Europe’s Ramadan Intifada.
A single slogan made a mockery of president Jacques Chirac’s efforts of the last three years to distance France from President George W. Bush’s Iraq war. Furthermore, the French government’s helplessness in quelling the trouble is encouraging other European communities to follow suit - in Denmark, Belgium, Spain and Sweden, for starters.
Chirac, after lying low for 10 days, finally called an emergency security meeting in Paris Sunday, Nov. 6. He then promised arrests, trials and punishment for those who “sow violence or terror” across France. But politics as usual held him back from instituting tough measures or naming those responsible for the violence, let alone deploying the necessary forces. French police are still under orders not to open fire unless fired on first. No names have been released of ringleaders despite several hundred arrests.
Saturday, Nov. 5, as the disorders went into their second week, the French prosecutor-general Yves Bot said he had detected an organized hand and a strategy behind the riots. Witnesses reported vehicles without number-plates distributing petrol bombs. A fuel bomb factory was in fact discovered Sunday in Paris with 150 bottles and gallons of gasoline ready to distribute to the bands of arsonists. Also found there were masks to hide rioters’ faces. In Clichy-sour-Bois, where the accidental electrocution of two teenagers in flight from the police ignited the first protests, residents said: This is just the beginning.
There are plenty of indications that the riots are not simply spontaneous outbursts of frustration by disadvantaged youths of North and black African descent, but centrally organized mayhem, an “intifada” activated by Muslim networking.
The Chirac-de Villepan government, trying to live down interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy’s provocative pledge to deal with what he called “scum,” is not acknowledging this. Because they refuse to recognize the rampage for what it is, they are withholding the forces required to restore order and so letting the danger get out of hand. Police, firemen and paramedics are no match for a fast developing civil war. The army will have to be brought in at some point, preferably sooner rather than later. For a start, marksmen need to be posted to pinpoint the ringleaders and the bottle-bomb wielders targeting cars, schools, shops, warehouses and public buildings.
France’s leaders, like the British and Dutch, are clinging to the hope that sympathetic dialogue with moderate Muslims will calm the street, despite all the evidence that radical, activist Muslims do not heed established Islamic authorities. On Nov. 6, the Union of Islamic Organizations in France, UOIF, issued a fatwa forbidding Muslims to seek “divine grace” by blindly attacking private and public property and urging meditation and calm.
The following night, bands of marauding Muslim youths extended their areas of attack from outlying city districts to urban centers and started shooting at police officers.
The controlling hand, far from being legitimate Muslim authority, is beginning to emerge as the very organization that has for several years been recruiting young fighters in French Muslim ghettos fight al Qaeda’s wars against the West in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Iraq and other sectors.
On February 20, 2004, DEBKA-Net-Weekly and DEBKAfile were first to reveal the extent of al Qaeda’s penetration of West Europe. They turned up French intelligence statistics which estimated that “al Qaeda had recruited in France between 35,000 and 45,000 fighters and was organizing them in military-style units. They meet regularly for training in the use of weapons and explosives, combat tactics and indoctrination and are controlled from local and district command centers under the organization’s national French command.”
“In Germany, Al Qaeda’s numbers are estimated at 25,000 to 30,000 men.”
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Today, French counter-terror sources are willing to admit, albeit on the quiet and not for attribution, that those clandestine terrorist cells may well be at the bottom of the current riots. They note the history of the Palestinian uprising, which kicked off in 1987 with stones and petrol bombs, only to evolve into a suicidal terrorist war by the late nineties. They fear this process may be beginning - not just in France but in the rest of Europe too, that the covert nucleus of trained and indoctrinated Islamic terrorists al Qaeda buried inside Europe is being turned against the continent, starting in France.
"hope and pray that no Koran was harmed"
LOL! I agree. Clean kill shots will help to avoid such disastrous ancillary damage.
i would rather get news from DEBKA then the BBC-NY Times,CNN etc etc
This might be a good time for the U.S. to become more isolationist.
Don't forget that someone will be put in charge of the administration of the "global test". And then, not until John Kerry divulges his Secret Plan.
We're ARMED!
And the Muslims know it!
I was being facetious. But I'm not so sure that it wouldn't happen in selected areas. Some places are not "armed." Liberal states have some very stringent gun laws. Interestingly, that's generally where the highest concentrations of muslims are. But in this country, if this were to happen in Detroit for instance, I don't see the initial response being much different than it is in France right now. Far too liberal there. Leadership that hasn't a clue also.
I would expect them to float a trial balloon here somewhere simply to gauge the response, and if that happens, then they'll play their hand accordingly.
Meanwhile, there's a distinct possibility that while large parts of the world are being taken over by Islam, those being taken over will be arguing over whether Bush is the reason as their nations slip away from them while their bickering. Kind of like the player in baseball holding the ball arguing about an out at first while the other runners clear the bases and score runs.
Don't cha just love 'imbedded' reporters??
Four serious incidents during the initial phase were particularly memorable. One involved two Guardsmen from an infantry battalion who rescued two girls from a convicted rapist. The other three were the only incidents involving gunfire. The first involved the 40th Military Police Company from the 40th Infantry Division (Mechanized), the first unit on the street. Members helped arrest an armed robber who twice turned his weapon on them. The robber surrendered after four rounds were fired, with no one injured.
The second shooting incident turned out to be by far the most important. A gang member had taunted Guardsmen from the division's support command, telling them he was coming back to kill them that night. This was a rather common threat, but this man was not kidding. He returned in his car after curfew and attempted to run them down. They jumped out of the way, but were not fast enough. One Guardsman was hit, but not seriously. The gang member drove off for a while before returning for his second attempt. When he refused to stop, the Guardsmen fired about 10 rounds at his tires in an attempt to stop him. When it was clear he was determined to run Guardsmen down, they finally used deadly force and killed him with one bullet in the shoulder and two in the head.
Another felon caused the final shooting incident involving Guardsmen when he attempted vehicular homicide. He first hit a car and then ran down a police officer, breaking his leg. When the gang member refused to stop, two infantrymen each fired one round. The gang member then stopped with a serious wound in the buttocks and groin. It later turned out he was on felony probation from Florida for vehicular manslaughter.
Come to think of it, were there any reports of persons killed by our US Military in the Katrina response? The mere introduction of armed troops with shoot to kill orders stops these riots very quickly.
Yeah Koreans!
"What are we going to do with all the French Boat People?"
Don't know, but they'll need damn good boats!
2) see above.
No, who wants a Gaza Strip like enclave within their borders ?
If this were to happen in Detroit for example however, they would be treated like riots, similar to those in LA in recent years, and addressed at the local level initially. I can't imagine the feds stepping in w/o a request by the mayor, then the governor. How long would it take for lib mayors and governors to admit failure?
LOL. Self-reliance in a catastrophe is not a bad thing. Sometimes it's the only thing.
Keep on it!
It'll never happen here? I'm betting on Falls Church, Va. (the Bailey's Crossroads area), and Laurel, Md., for starters, given their demographics. Other communities in northern Virginia come to mind, as well.
"It's VERY hard not to laugh."
Yes, it seems the Frogs have this coming. However, it should be recognized that the danger to us all in the West is too real, in particular because France possesses nuclear weapons and the platforms with which to deliver them. France must not be allowed to come under muslim control for that reason. If Europe falls, we in the USA will be in mortal danger because - and only because - of nuclear weapons.
Best wine choice to compliment the aroma of buring cars?
And therein lies the problem.
"i would rather get news from DEBKA then the BBC-NY Times,CNN etc etc"
I agree. In fact, I find DEBKA to be excellent. You have to realize, they're willing to jump out with a preliminary assessment of what might've happened within hours of an event. These assessments are going to be wrong sometime. But they let you know, more or less, when they're guessing or printing something based on only a few sources. And usually, they end up being right.
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