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2006 Purchasing Guide for Flexible Fueled Vehicles (Ethanol)
NEVC Website ^ | 10/24/2005 | National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition

Posted on 10/24/2005 5:27:09 PM PDT by kerryusama04

Ever wish America didn’t depend on the Middle East for oil imports? Ever wish there was an alternative to gasoline? There is. It’s called E85. E85 is a clean, practical, alternative fuel made from the ultimate renewable resource...American grains. E85 is 85% ethanol, distilled from corn, and only 15% gasoline. By fueling with E85, motorists can help reverse the trend toward greater Middle Eastern oil imports. We have got an abundant supply of clean-burning, high performing, renewable fuel right here in the U.S. E85 is a high-octane fuel, produced by the fermentation of plant sugars. Today, U.S. ethanol producers currently have the capacity to produce more than 4 billion gallons each year. With more plants under construction, ethanol producers are poised to keep pace with the rapidly increasing demand for E85. Think about it—grain grown by Americans, processed by Americans, fueling Americans’ cars. One bushel of corn produces 2.8 gallons of ethanol in addition to several valuable co-products. Using only the starch from the grain, the fermentation process leaves behind nearly all of the valuable vitamins and protein for use in other products such as gluten feed and gluten meal. The gluten is then fed to livestock, adding even more value to our nation’s large grain crop.

(Excerpt) Read more at e85fuel.com ...


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This is a link to the whle document:

http://www.e85fuel.com/forretailers/2006_purchasing_guide.pdf

E85fuel.com is the lobbying group for Ethanol in the US, so expect the bright side, but the down side is in there, too.

This article shows which vehicles are going to be FFV's for the next model year, how to tell if the car you already have can run E85, and where to buy E85.

I'm not looking to be E85 boy, but these posts seem to generate a ton of debate.

1 posted on 10/24/2005 5:27:11 PM PDT by kerryusama04
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To: kerryusama04

Driving through the farm belt in Central Illinois I have seen signs for E85 and not known much about it.

Thanks for posting the article.


2 posted on 10/24/2005 5:29:09 PM PDT by RWR8189 (George Allen 2008)
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To: kerryusama04

It takes more than a gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of ethanol.


3 posted on 10/24/2005 5:29:20 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: The Old Hoosier; All

AP) Farmers, businesses and state officials are investing millions of dollars in ethanol and biofuel plants as renewable energy sources, but a new study says the alternative fuels burn more energy than they produce.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/19/tech/main709983.shtml


4 posted on 10/24/2005 5:36:49 PM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: kerryusama04

"Ethanol production in the United States does not benefit the nation's energy security, its agriculture, the economy, or the environment."
David Pimentel, Tad Patzek
Authors of recent ethanol study


5 posted on 10/24/2005 5:37:33 PM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: The Old Hoosier
It takes more than a gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of ethanol.

I hear that alot. Not buying it, though. Too simple.

6 posted on 10/24/2005 5:41:04 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (The UN wants our guns so they can rape our children and steal our money)
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To: The Old Hoosier

Government subsidized (taxes), poorer gas mileage.

No upside. Just green hype.


7 posted on 10/24/2005 5:46:40 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Enjoy Every Sandwich)
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To: The Old Hoosier

>>>It takes more than a gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of ethanol.

Wrong. Ethanol is not the only product produced in the process, thus assigning the total input costs to only 1 product is a lie.


8 posted on 10/24/2005 5:48:26 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Liberals - Stuck on Stupid.)
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To: Flavius

>>>>David Pimentel, Tad Patzek

Loons. The both of them.


9 posted on 10/24/2005 5:48:59 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Liberals - Stuck on Stupid.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

What else is produced and how much does it's value offset of the gasoline required to make it?


10 posted on 10/24/2005 5:50:23 PM PDT by jla
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Here's the upside as far as I am concerned - Missouri farmers aren't trying to kill us. I am no green by any stretch. We have an 05 Suburban that runs E85 and we have a 00 Silverado that doesn't. The Silverado is going to get replaced with an Avalanche that can run E85 when the time comes. I get less gas mileage on E85, but I am doing SOMETHING to get us off the Saudi Welfare. I hear the smaller FFV's do beter on mpg's on E85.


11 posted on 10/24/2005 5:52:35 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (The UN wants our guns so they can rape our children and steal our money)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Hi Keith. I bet you get to use your one liner before too long.


12 posted on 10/24/2005 5:53:39 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (The UN wants our guns so they can rape our children and steal our money)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Anything requiring a subsidy should be considered suspect.

While subsidies are often required in the development or start up phase of a new technology, ongoing subsidies mean that the inputs are worth more than the outputs. It might be reasonable to provide some subsidy in the name of security of supply.

So long as there is a subsidy in place, the onus is on the proponents to prove the benefits.
13 posted on 10/24/2005 5:55:44 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA (")
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To: RWR8189
Man...I recently drove from my home in Texas to Minnesota to attend my grandmother's funeral.

I nearly put E85 into my Cherokee, as I'd not heard of it, did not know it was any different from the enthanol-enhanced fuel sold in Iowa (through which I passed on the way up) and didn't know it wasn't for my truck.

Thank God for the farmer at the pump next to mine...

14 posted on 10/24/2005 5:55:56 PM PDT by AlaninSA (It's ONE NATION UNDER GOD...brought to you by the Knights of Columbus)
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To: jla

WHAT'S IN A BUSHEL OF CORN?

Each bushel of corn can produce up to 2.5 gallons of ethanol fuel. Only the starch from the corn is used to make ethanol. Most of the substance of the corn kernel remains, leaving the protein and valuable co-products to be usedin the production of food for people, livestock feed, and various chemicals. For example, that same bushel of corn (56 lbs.) used in ethanol manufacturing can also produce the following:

The wet-milling process:

The dry-milling process:

31.5 pounds of starch

10 one-lb. boxes of cereal

or

and

33 lbs. of sweetner

15 lbs. of brewer grits (enough for 1 gal. of beer)

or

and

2.5 gal. fuel ethanol

10 eight oz. packages of Cheese Curls

and

and

12.4 lbs. of 21% protein feed

1 lb. of pancake mix

and

and

3.0 lbs. of 60% gluten meal

22 lbs. of hominy feed for livestock

and

and

1.5 lbs. of corn oil

0.7 lbs. of corn oil

and

and

17 lbs. of carbon dioxide

17 lbs. of carbon dioxide

 
The corn oil is used in producing food for human consumption. For example, 1.5 lbs of corn oil from a bushel of corn is equivalent to 2 lbs of margarine. The 21% protein feed is used in making high protein livestock feed. The carbon dioxide is used as a refrigerant, in carbonated beverages, to help vegetable crops to grow more rapidly in greenhouses, and to flush oil wells. Only the starch of the corn (carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen) is used to make ethanol.

To assume that the total economic input costs in the production of ethanol is charged on the balance sheet to only the ethanol is simply wrong - a fraud foisted upon the gullible by the oil industry propagandists.

15 posted on 10/24/2005 5:57:42 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Liberals - Stuck on Stupid.)
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To: The Old Hoosier
It takes more than a gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of ethanol.

You lose a little on every sale, but you make it up on volume.

Actually, I don't buy the argument. My guess is there were numerous obstacles to overcome when ethanol first hit the market. I think they are getting overcome one by one as you would expect with any commodity that has a demand.

I'm curious if the US or the world produces enough corn to satisfy all the demand. My guess is it doesn't. My guess is ethanol and E85 is but another component in the world wide fuel puzzle.

My problem is I think my state still provides a subsidy for the production of ethanol as well as legislating demand. I wonder how long such a thing is necessary. I'm not a scientist, chemist or energy expert. I just like reading little tidbits about E85 as they get published.

16 posted on 10/24/2005 5:58:28 PM PDT by stevem
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To: jla
And, by the by...

Why do so many here insist ethanol vs petrol is an either/or thing? Why can't more of you look at it with more of an open mind???

I don't see ethanol as viable for total replacement...but ethanol does have a place in being able to replace part of the need for petrol, and it can be done in an economically viable way. Every barrel of imported oil replaced by a domestic, renewable resource makes us better off.

I have used 10% ethanol blends en every car I've ever owned...and, slipping into "Jeopardy" mode...The answer is: Zero....The question: "What is the number of fuel-related mechanical issues I've ever experienced using 10% ethanol blended fuel."
17 posted on 10/24/2005 6:04:51 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Liberals - Stuck on Stupid.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

I asked a question, Keith, because I was interested in knowing something I've no knowledge of.


18 posted on 10/24/2005 6:06:18 PM PDT by jla
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To: jla

Want to learn more?

http://www.nwicc.cc.ia.us/pages/continuing/business/ethanolcurriculum.html


19 posted on 10/24/2005 6:09:27 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Liberals - Stuck on Stupid.)
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To: kerryusama04

The Chevy Tahoe we buoght back in August can burn E85. We didn't intentionally buy the vehicle for that purpose. I just look at it as a side benefit.

Only I can't find any E85 around here....


20 posted on 10/24/2005 6:12:50 PM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of Satan)
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