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Losing in 2006 to win in 2008
for-q-clinton ^ | 3 Oct 05 | for-q-clinton

Posted on 10/03/2005 7:57:40 AM PDT by for-q-clinton

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I'm ready for the Republican above principle crowd to bash me. But if you do, please try and pick apart the analysis or give an alternate point. I'm looking for someone to help convince me it still matters and that we want to win in 2006. I don't need more flaming...I can get all that on the IT threads :-)
1 posted on 10/03/2005 7:57:43 AM PDT by for-q-clinton
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the republican party is becoming a joke. all they seem to be doing now is trying to stay in power. as a conservative im starting to feel politically homeless.


2 posted on 10/03/2005 8:03:31 AM PDT by philsfan24
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What about the country? If your give up strategy is adopted how many innocent Americans, Europeans, Israelis, Iraqis die so you can see the left implode again.

The price of your strategy is too high. The GOP should run as conservatives when they do they win.


3 posted on 10/03/2005 8:03:48 AM PDT by Patrick1
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To: for-q-clinton

With what the so-called republican congress (rather RINOcrat congress) has given us, having a socialist congress cannot be much worse. The RINOcrats are outspending any socialist democrats of the past 50 years anyway. Iraq is the only real issue they can stop $$$ for.


4 posted on 10/03/2005 8:04:03 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (All democrats are ENEMIES of the Republic!)
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Me too. You know I'd rather lose an off year election than the big one. Maybe 2006 is the year to vote for a 3rd party to send a message.


5 posted on 10/03/2005 8:04:35 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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Me too. You know I'd rather lose an off year election than the big one. Maybe 2006 is the year to vote for a 3rd party to send a message.


6 posted on 10/03/2005 8:04:42 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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Same here. I won't be voting Republican for quite awhile, however, I will remain registered Republican.


7 posted on 10/03/2005 8:06:21 AM PDT by xrp (The Republican Party appeal to conservatives: "We suck less than Democrats!")
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I'm ready for the Republican above principle crowd to bash me

Why don't you try to win WITHOUT US, Bush basher?

The Conservative movement may benefit by losing the House and Senate in 2006. I’m not advocating that we campaign to lose; however, if you look at the ramifications of losing in 2006 the Conservatives have a better chance of winning in 2008. Note: I didn’t say the Republicans I said Conservatives.

You may sneer at those of us you sneering deride as not being "real, true conservatives." But we can win without you -- you cannot win without us.

8 posted on 10/03/2005 8:06:34 AM PDT by Howlin
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The current batch of elected officials has sold out the principles of conservatism on far too many points. There are people who will flame you for not going lock step with the Republican party as they will point out that Democrats are bad for America. Frankly, with Bush/Rove's policies on immigration and vote buying to support local Republicans it's obvious that conservatism got the short end of the stick.

Supporting Spector over Toomey?

Continuing to back Lincoln Chaffee?

Threatening Tancredo?


9 posted on 10/03/2005 8:08:08 AM PDT by misterrob
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I have ceased to care which of the major parties wins. I jumped ship after the "patriot" act, and have voted solidly third party ever since. I believed and rooted for the Republican party through the mid to late 90s, as it seemed they had something going on. I was too young at the time to realize that they would act just like dems once in power.

The saddest part, however, is seeing people here defend the socialism because it comes from a Republican. Pork barrel spending and big intrusive government is not acceptable under any party flag.
10 posted on 10/03/2005 8:13:08 AM PDT by mysterio
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But we can win without you -- you cannot win without us.

Amen.

11 posted on 10/03/2005 8:14:32 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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But we can win without you -- you cannot win without us.

HA! Don't get to comfortable after two "landslide" victories 2000, and 2004.

12 posted on 10/03/2005 8:17:01 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (but no more kool aid)
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"You may sneer at those of us you sneering deride as not being "real, true conservatives." But we can win without you -- you cannot win without us."

I think his point is that if you win it doesn't matter because the Republicans don't capitalize on their win and move the government right. So we can't win without you, and you can win without us and do nothing. Great options.


13 posted on 10/03/2005 8:18:58 AM PDT by madconservative
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" But we can win without you -- you cannot win without us.

Is this a joke? You can't really believe that. I'm not bush basher by the way. I am a concerned conservative that wants spending controlled.

14 posted on 10/03/2005 8:19:02 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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...But we can win without you -- you cannot win without us...


Good luck!

If "you" win, it's no different from if the democrats win.
Who cares?


15 posted on 10/03/2005 8:19:03 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (The North American Community welcomes you to Canexico!)
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as a conservative im starting to feel politically homeless.

Join the club.

It would be interesting to see how many true Conservatives there are, and how much power we'd have if we left the party and formed or joined another. If that happened, you'd see the GOP swing back to being Conservative really fast.
16 posted on 10/03/2005 8:19:16 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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I hope you can win without us...not sure how though because I was one of you.

But if you can do it without me, great. I can sit this one out and still be guaranteed that Hillary won't be President.

Let me know when you need me and the other Conservatives.


17 posted on 10/03/2005 8:21:01 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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You may sneer at those of us you sneering deride as not being "real, true conservatives." But we can win without you

Go back and look at 2000 and 2004 and then say that. With a straight face.
18 posted on 10/03/2005 8:21:01 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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the republican party is becoming a joke. all they seem to be doing now is trying to stay in power. as a conservative im starting to feel politically homeless.

It's time for a Reagan conservative. Draft Mike Pence for 2008.

19 posted on 10/03/2005 8:21:56 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (but no more kool aid)
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I have read Michael Barone's reports of both elections, friend.

The "real, true" conservatives voted in no larger numbers in 2004 than they did in 2000.


20 posted on 10/03/2005 8:22:09 AM PDT by Howlin
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