School Expels Girl for Having Gay Parents

AP ^ | 09-23-2005 | none - some liberal

[69ConvertibleFirebird]

Two things:

1) Congratulations to the school for standing on solid, moral, principle.

2) A BS article in that the liberal writer doesn't understand that the child can not have two parents of the same sex. The writer must understand that the child would not have been born with "parents" such as this.

We must remember to lover the sinner (all of us) but not endorse and/or condone the sin...

[MEGoody]

And how can you judge the "Christianity" of the child?

No one's is judging the Christianity of the child. The school is acting based on the agreement between the school and the 'parents' who signed her up to go. It's a private school.

Would you, in your righteous Christian fury

Post where I ever made a comment that even implied 'Christian fury'. You won't be able to.

Would you deny Christian children with a Christian father access to His Word because their mother happens to be a sinner?

Post where anyone said that the girl could not pick up a bible and read it. You won't be able to.

The Bible is the only guide that should be used when evaluating matters of faith, and the Bible tells me that the actions of this school were wrong.

This isn't a 'matter of faith,' it is a matter of a private school having rules that were agreed upon by the 'parents' and subsequently violated. Post the verse from the bible that says an agreement should not be enforced and you might have a point. But of course, you won't be able to.

The people running this school are the real life Pharisees of our day

No, the people running this school are taking very seriously their duty to ensure a Christian environment for ALL their students, not just this one girl. Apparently, they have put that term into their agreements because of past experiences with children whose parents are homosexuals. If the 'parents' of this child did not want to abide by those rules, they could have easily picked a different school.

If you are so passionate that someone needs to 'school' this child in a Christian environment, you could offer to home school her yourself, or to help them find another school that does not have those rules, or to open one yourself that doesn't have such rules. But no, you'd rather demand that someone else do what you say instead of you doing it yourself. (Speaking of Pharisees. . . )

[MEGoody]

But is it Christian behavior to turn away children from exposure to Christian teaching because their parents or guardians are sinners?

This girl can get Christian teaching elsewhere. She can even pick up a bible and read it all on her own. The fact is, the 'parents' agreed to these rules, then violated them. The school isn't teaching a good lesson to anyone if they just allow rules to be flaunted.

[NCSteve]

Everything you say is certainly true, but there is no scriptural authority for it. This was my original point. The school is certainly welcome to do as it pleases, but to claim scriptural or even scripturally supported moral authority for their actions is dishonest. There is no support in Christ's message for the passive evangelism you suggest. I expect Jesus would have handled it differently.

[Arthalion]

Post where anyone said that the girl could not pick up a bible and read it. You won't be able to.

And what do you think the odds are that these flaming lezzies have a Bible in their homes? The first duty of any Christian is to spread the faith and to minister to those in need of His Word. By failing to do that, especially when the failed one is a CHILD, they have failed in their first duty as a Christian school...which IIRC is to promote the teachings of Christ.

This isn't a 'matter of faith,' it is a matter of a private school having rules that were agreed upon by the 'parents' and subsequently violated

The Bible says to minister to those who need it. Their rules say the doors should be slammed in the face of sinners. You'll have to pardon me if I point out the obvious...their rules are un-Christian and unfitting for a Christian school. Again I have to point out that Jesus himself lived with and ministered to prostitutes and thieves. Why? Because they needed to hear His gospel more than anyone else. To deny this to an innocent child is to deny the ways and teachings of Jesus Himself.

No, the people running this school are taking very seriously their duty to ensure a Christian environment for ALL their students, not just this one girl

You and I must be reading different Bible's. The CHRISTIAN thing to do would have been to keep the girl IN the school and minister to her. They should have explained to her that her mothers behavior was sinful, and showed her the path of righteousness. They should have explained to the other students that the girls parents may be sinners, but that Christians don't punish the innocent and that our duty is to help those who live in situations of spiritual crisis. And what crisis could be greater than a child loving her "parents" while at the same time realizing that those "parents" are sinful and would lead her down the path to hell? THIS is what Jesus wanted Christians to do. We're not supposed to turn our backs on the spiritually needy or ignore them as "bad influences", but are supposed to help them find Jesus and, through Him, God and salvation.

If you are so passionate that someone needs to 'school' this child in a Christian environment, you could offer to home school her yourself, or to help them find another school that does not have those rules,

If she lived anywhere near me, you can bet that I would. I've been both a Sunday School teacher and a spiritual counselor at a homeless shelter, so I have no fear of acting to help others when their souls are in need. It's our Christian duty, after all.

[Non-Sequitur]

Where have you checked?

Have you any evidence that they have? I would be interested in seeing it, and would be more than happy to eat my words if the school does expel children of couples who have divorced and remarried.

[nyconse]

I can't fault the school. The parents would have had to lie to get her in.

[little jeremiah]

That seems clear as a bell.

[MEGoody]

Have you any evidence that they have?

In other words, you don't have the slightest idea if your claim is true.

[MEGoody]

And what do you think the odds are that these flaming lezzies have a Bible in their homes?

There are bibles available on line and in libraries if they don't own one. No one says this girl cannot pick up a bible and read it.

By failing to do that, especially when the failed one is a CHILD, they have failed in their first duty as a Christian school.

Since this and the remainder of your post indicates that you interpret the bible as requiring that a Christian provide the opportunity for any any and every child to get Christian schooling, what are you waiting for? You interpret it that way, so it is your duty to do something to ensure that happens. Take this girl under your wing. Home school her, find her a Christian school that does not have such rules, or start one yourself.

If you aren't willing to do what you demand that others do, you are simply a hypocrite.

[MEGoody]

The school is certainly welcome to do as it pleases, but to claim scriptural or even scripturally supported moral authority for their actions is dishonest.

Sure there is.

1 Thessalonians 5:22 "Abstain from all appearance of evil."

The school may feel that, by allowing children of parents who violate the 'morals clause' of the schooling agreement to keep attending, the appearance of condoning such behavior may be perceived.

Whether you agree with that view or not is another story. But obviously, these rules are in place for a reason. They have probably experienced repercussions in the past for allowing a child to stay whose parents had violated the 'morals clause'. Or it may even have occurred before the morals clause was in the agreement and that's why it was added.

[NCSteve]

Let me caution you against finding random Bible quotes that seem to suit your purpose. I already posted the pertinent parts of scripture that talk about ministering to the needs of the evil moreso than the good. The passage you quote from Thessalonians is part of an exhortation from Paul for the members of the church to maintain a Godly life. It is intended to give individuals guidance and not for instruction toward collective behavior. Indeed, just a few short verses prior, Pauls warns, "Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men. See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men." The context of all of Paul's message regarding the tolerance of evil in the church is at one with the Gospels: cast out evil when it seeks to do evil among you, however, do not reject those who suffer under evil when there is a chance to redeem them. And above all, neither the teachings of Christ nor the preachings of Paul can or should be used to force any other person to do that which they will not do themselves.

The simple fact is that the school has made an economic decision. They fear that parents will begin pulling their children from the school if they allow this girl to stay. There was a similar situation recently in which a supposed "Christian" school ejected the child of a stripper. These are not attempts to keep evil influences from the school, these are attempts to cow-tow and knee-jerk to people who can't seem to mind their own business. If the school is doing its job, rightly in the sight of God, the children will see the error of their parents' ways and live Godly lives. It is not the job of the school to correct the parents, that's for the parents to do themselves. The school's job is to provide a way for the word of God to come to the children and let Jesus do the rest. And believe me, given half a chance, he always comes through.

[Non-Sequitur]

In other words, you don't have the slightest idea if your claim is true.

And you can provide nothing to show that my claims are not.