School Expels Girl for Having Gay Parents

AP ^ | 09-23-2005 | none - some liberal

[69ConvertibleFirebird]

Two things:

1) Congratulations to the school for standing on solid, moral, principle.

2) A BS article in that the liberal writer doesn't understand that the child can not have two parents of the same sex. The writer must understand that the child would not have been born with "parents" such as this.

We must remember to lover the sinner (all of us) but not endorse and/or condone the sin...

[SaintDismas]

I agree with you that on one hand that girl needs help, she is in danger of losing her soul too. But I can certainly see how the school has to uphold their standards or risk being scandalized. If they were to have remained in the dark about it, they wouldn't be accused by others of tolerating, thus condoning the behavour

[pa mom]

I have no problem with the expulsion. A private school can do as it wishes.

[pa mom]

The school has every right to keep who they want.

[ItsOurTimeNow]

>>So why does Matthew overturn Mark?<<

He doesn't. There's no conflict between the two books except the one you're trying to create. It's not as if Matthew is saying "yes", and Mark is saying "no", Matthew is saying more than what Mark is saying. Most of the 4 gospels are like this; one expounds further on the same incident than another.

Matthew's writing includes the Beatitudes, Mark does not. Matthew expands on Jesus' temptation in the wilderness, Mark does not. Mark speaks of different healings than Matthew does. Does that mean Matthew was wrong? No. It doesn't mean Mark is wrong either. It's an omission, not a contradiction.

>>And when did Jesus speak on homosexuality?<<

You substitute one strawman argument for another? Typical among the pro-sodomy crowd. I'll humor you.

He doesn't. Not once does he mention the word. What he does mention, however, is sexual immorality, sin, and the need for repentance and purity. Any form of lust is sinful. Openly blatant, unrepentant, unnatural fornication with a member of the same sex is sinful. So is adultery.

He never mentions scores of other lustful sins by name either (beastiality, necrophilia, etc). Doesn't mean they're not sins.

If it helps you though, he does speak on the "sins of Sodom and Gomorrah", and we could surely spend a lot of time expounding on the sins of those two cities.

Sin is sin, and all of it is offensive to our Holy and Sovereign God. The only way to make it right is though repentance, clinging to Christ, and walking humbly and pure before Him.

The social difference here, and perhaps why the school reacted the way they did, is that divorced people aren't looking for special rights and treatment. Divorced people don't look to impress an openly sinful lifestyle upon children and tell them it's a-ok. By and large, divorced people aren't parading the streets demanding open and full acceptance into their life. In a lot of cases, divorce still carries shame. Something the sodomites don't consider.

Again, your strawman argument is a lost cause. It's been attempted before on these forums many times by many others who think they can use the Word of God against itself. They've failed. So have you.

I pray that you'll learn from this, and that it will bring you closer to the Lord.

[little jeremiah]

Thanks for the ping - just on FR for a minute, I'll be a-pinging later today.

[Non-Sequitur]

Typical among the pro-sodomy crowd. I'll humor you.

Name calling right off the bat. How Christian of you. But don't bother with the humor. The last thing I need tonight is a dose of your homophobic, holier-than-thou blather.

I don't care if this school bans the children of a homosexual. They're a private school and they are entitled to ban anyone they want for any reason or for no reason at all. But please don't try and wrap this in a veil of moral outrage when you outrage is highly selective. Jesus said those that divorce and remarry are committing adultery. Quibble all you want about the difference between Mark and Matthew about permissible divorce, the fact of the matter is that adultery is a sin, and those who divorce and remarry are living an adulterous lifestyle. But that's OK to the school, because there is sin they like and sin that they don't like. Homosexuality is sin that they don't like. A heterosexual could probably punt on 8 out of 10 commandments and as long as they kept the tuition checks rolling in their kid could remain a student in good standing. A homosexual could keep all 10 and their kid will get booted.

Either the school is serious about sin and morality or they are not. Either they look on all sin as wrong or they do not. Anything else is hypocrisy, and this school has that in abundance.

I pray that you'll learn from this, and that it will bring you closer to the Lord.

Save your prayers. I've had enough hypocrisy for one day.

[ItsOurTimeNow]

>>Name calling right off the bat. How Christian of you.<<

I called you no such name. I said your response is typical of the pro-sodomite crowd. Those who defend sodomites. If you felt insulted by that because of some guilt by association, or if you identified with them, then that is something you need to work out, not me.

>>The last thing I need tonight is a dose of your homophobic, holier-than-thou blather.<<

Homophobic - I was waiting for that. It didn't take nearly as long as I thought.

And if you consider Biblical exegesis "blather", then you've got deeper issues than I previously thought.

>>I don't care if this school bans the children of a homosexual.<<

Yes, you do, or else you wouldn't be posting on this thread. This has struck a chord with you, for some yet-to-be-identified reason.

>>Jesus said those that divorce and remarry are committing adultery.<<

No, and again you take His sayings out of context. As I'm pressed for time, you can read Gill's commentary on that particular passage for a thorough explanation. Your attempts to use the Bible to trick Christians is pathetic, and you're displaying your utter lack of Biblical understanding.

http://www.freegrace.net/library/Gill/commentary/

>>Quibble all you want about the difference between Mark and Matthew about permissible divorce<<

You're the one with the issue over who's saying what. I'm content with what's written.

>>fact of the matter is that adultery is a sin,<<

Yep.

>>and those who divorce and remarry are living an adulterous lifestyle<<

Only if the divorce was for any reason other than fornication.

>>But that's OK to the school, because there is sin they like and sin that they don't like.<<

That's quite a serious charge you level against the school. How doyou know the school hasn't taken such measures with the children of divorced parents in the past?

>>Homosexuality is sin that they don't like.<<

I should hope so. I don't like it either.

>>A heterosexual could probably punt on 8 out of 10 commandments and as long as they kept the tuition checks rolling in their kid could remain a student in good standing. A homosexual could keep all 10 and their kid will get booted.<<

Again, how do you know any of this? This is one story that received media attention, and you've jumped to scores of conclusions regarding those "homophobes" at the school.

>>Either the school is serious about sin and morality or they are not. Either they look on all sin as wrong or they do not.<<

My guess is they do, or else we wouldn't be having this conversation. All sin, every single one of us, saved and unsaved alike. Sodomites, on the other hand, tend to have a very high-handed, "in-your-face" approach to their sin, and therefore make public the sins that are typically kept quiet.

The girl in question got in trouble for speaking to the crowd with another female friend. She didn't get in trouble for talking to one person, she was addressing the crowd. Now, what could she be saying to the crowd that would get her into so much trouble at a Christian school, considering the make-up of her home life? The article doesn't say, but if I were a bettin' man, I'd place some money on the fact that she was making statements very similar to yours, in defense of perversion.

Of course, I can't be sure. None of us can. But I have a feeling that if she was simply taking to the crowd about ice-cream cones or the latest trends in denim, no one would have made an issue.

>>Anything else is hypocrisy, and this school has that in abundance.<<

Now I see you've made a judgement as well.

>>Save your prayers.<<

Won't happen, friend.

>>I've had enough hypocrisy for one day.<<

Then turn to the Truth of the Living God. It's the only place you'll find complete honesty.

[Bob J]

"Paul made it perfectly clear, (see my quote from Scripture above) that you, as a Christian are NOT to have fellowship (eating, etc) with unGodly people."

Ya, good thing Jesus didn't associate with tax collectors and prostitutes.

[Cvengr]

Read between the lines. 2 lesbians send 'daughter' to a Christian school.

IMHO, this was a planted contrived conflict by homosexuals seeking to sensationalize or to contrive a lawsuit.

Going to the school will not save the girl's soul, but the honest response of the school might place an indelible mark of righteous behavior upon her soul when she comes to a decision point where she needs something worthy of faith.

If she is under the impression her parents are faithful, she'll have to discern between Scripture and their action in sending her to the Christian school originally as opposed to their behavior in disobedience to Scripture.

[little jeremiah]

He didn't tell that prostitution was fine. He exhorted sinful people (i.e. all people) to change their ways, surrender to God's will which means doing His will, not ours.

Remember Jesus kicked over tables and used a whip on some people who were desecrating the temple? You think Jesus came to tell everyone "There, there. Keep on doing whatever you're doing, it's all fine"?

[HoustonCurmudgeon]

My biggest interest is in how these two dykes, of 22 years, have ACQUIRED three daughters, of less than 22 years age?

They refer to one of the women as the child's biological mother. Pure speculation on my part but I suspect the woman has herself artificially inseminated. I know of two women, one a teacher, who have done this twice.

[pageonetoo]

Ya, good thing Jesus didn't associate with tax collectors and prostitutes.

Jesus separated Himself from them, after ministering to the sinners. He also required His followers to separate themselves from the masses.

His message was "take up your cross, and follow me"...

[kittymyrib]

Perhaps if we went back to the good Christian practice of shunning, we would have less sinning in our society. Jesus said that Christians are IN the world, but we should not be OF the world (John 17:13-15). We should not have close association with blatant sinners. "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkeness? What harmany is there between Christ and Satan? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?" (2 Corinthians 6:14-15).

[ItsOurTimeNow]

Oh come on now, kitty, you might hurt somoene's feeeeeeelings by doing that, you know?

Can't take the risk of damaging someone's precious self-esteem, can we?

/yesthisissarcasm

[ItsOurTimeNow]

Good point. Also worth mentioning is his reaction to when several followers left him after his sermon on being the Bread of Life.

They said "this is hard, who can live up to this?" and walked away. Note that he didn't chase after them, apologize, or alter the Truth to make it more comfortable for them to hear. He simply let them go.

Truth is hard for some to handle, but that doesn't make the Truth any less True.

[Maurice Tift]

School Administrator: Both of your parents are lesbians? How are things in Beirut?

[pa mom]

The parents are not contesting the expulsion. They did not do it for attention or for a lawsuit.

Maybe the picked the school. Maybe she is interested in the faith. Maybe a cute boy goes there. Lots of explanations for why she is there.

[Cvengr]

Maybe a lot of explanations why she was trying to go there, but there is one good reason not to admit her, namely her guardians' self-avowed perverse behavior.

[mhking]

At the risk of ticking off some here, this is just plain wrong.

The girl did nothing wrong. And to punish her for some percieved wrong of her mother is just plain wrong.

Just damn.

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[pa mom]

I support the school's right to expel anyone they chose.