Bogoslovskaya: Timoshenko must be dismissed

Forum Ukraine ^ | 18 August

[jb6]

Ex-Chief of State Committee of Entrepreneurship reckons that Ukraine needs to get rid of nonprofessionals and populists of the power. Inna Bogoslovskaya states it during online conference which is going on right now on ForUm.

In response to the question "how can Ukraine overcome a crisis" she named the steps which would benefit the situation in the country: "the first one is to make a revision of new appointees and to get rid of nonprofessionals and populists and then to appoint real professionals to their posts; the second one is to make the power consistence more homogeneous by dismissal of Socialists, neo-Bolsheviks and wild revolutionists; the last one is to retire Timoshenko as PM of Ukraine who betrayed the fundamentals of bourgeois-democratic Orange Revolution and engrained neo-Bolshevism in Ukraine.”

Bogoslovskaya has put bad mark to the Cabinet’s work.

[jb6]

Can we seriously say all Russians hate us?

Only if you're spanalot. He can also say all Russians are evil and has hammered such points constantly.

[jb6]

Spanalot needs someone to blame for everything in the world, for him it's Russians. No different then those who blame Jews, Americans or whom ever else. Same mentality.

[anonymoussierra]

"I fully agree. I do believe Russia, U.S., Poland, and all other countries need to mind their own business and stay out of the Ukraine."AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

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"This is what I'm trying to say from beginning. Let them decide their own faith and let them live in peace for God love. It's their country; its their life let God help them and lay off from them is my attitude. I know why Kremlin is going out of their mind: of this; nobody wants to see Ukraine in hand in hand with Poland; it will be like a hammer in middle in metaphorical concept; in for I don't want anybody to intervene and last thing to have old wounds open and be regress. Let Ukraine be itself for once and let them live in peace and let them decide what they want."

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thank you/dzieki

[GarySpFc]

It is evil to apply group guilt to Russians. Indeed, it is every bit as evil as the acts of Stalin."

Quit the lip service - get your Kremlin buddies to prosecute the first Communist for Genocide crime. Or are there no former Communists left?

Don't you ever call throw that Kremlin crap at me again, implying that I am a communist or communist sympathizer. I fought the communists in combat when you were in diapers. Yes, there are communists left in Russia, but they are a distinct minority.

[jb6]

Ukrainian voters elected Yushenko and Tymoshenko standing for weeks freezing on Maidan, so let them live with their choice whether its good or bad. It's up to Ukrainian voters to decide who should govern them--it's not up to Kremlin, EU or US.

By this reasoning, well we'd best not discuss Putin or anyone else too. After all, Russian voters overwhelmingly voted Putin in, how dare you criticize him? That is the exact statist mindset that you were criticizing earlier. Sorry, public figures of any nation are open to criticism, that's how open societies operate. To put anyone in public office in any nation beyond the reach of criticism is plain wrong and a slave mentality.

[anonymoussierra]

"Only if you're spanalot. He can also say all Russians are evil and has hammered such points constantly."

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"And what's your take on this? Do you think I hate Russians? I am probably only person here who actually have enough guts to say what is going on. Maybe I tookwords more beyond of reality but fact is I can stand up and give lessons to some of those who are so proud and haughty in their mind. In no form is this personal attack so disregard this; just a thought in metaphorical form. God bless you."

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[spanalot]

"We must judge people first and foremost as individuals"


Exactly my point !

When does the Russian Judge bring the FIRST Genocide criminal to Justice!

Answer: Never has, never will because Russians as a group tacitly approve this genocide. And until the first prosecutions and the first parades and until the first museums, Russians deserve nothing but contempt.

[jb6]

What I find most disingenious is the call not to criticize some world leaders because they were elected, well damn, best close this forum down in that case, since that is what it was made for.

[jb6]

Never has, never will because Russians as a group tacitly approve this genocide.

You've made some stupid statements, but this is one of your biggest.

[spanalot]

"Don't you ever call throw that Kremlin crap at me again,"

My bad - I should have said "your Kremlin buddies formerly known as communists"

"I fought the communists in combat when you were in diapers. "

And why are you no longer fighting them?

[GarySpFc]

Putin is former KGB who fully props up the very real and current Communists in Bylorussia and now he is buddies with the Communist Chinese.

You said "former." Putin does not even like the president of Belorussia, but the proximity of the country and China necessitates his attempting to get along with them.

We will stop despising Russians when they collectively stop extolling Stalin and accept blame for the 100 million.- who committed or exported the Genocide of 100 million in the last century.

As I stated those who hate are every bit as guilty before God as Stalin. Russians do not extol Stalin. The Russianphobes on FR were attacking Russia, because of the monuments to Stalin which were going to be erected. There is one damaged one in Moscow, and the one which they claimed was going to be erected in Volgograd (Stalingrad) the director in charge of monuments there did not know anything about it, and said they would not allow it.

Maybe you have heard the proverb to pull the log out of your own eye prior to helping someone pull the splinter out of their eye. In other words, publish every sin you ever committed on Free Republic and clean up your communists prior to attacking Russia's first.

We will stop despising Russians when they bring to trial the first Genocide criminal - and ther are several hundred thousand to hose from.

You have clearly labeled yourself as a hateful unforgiving person. Has your country brought to trial the former communists?

[GarySpFc]

Excellent, simply excellent!

[spanalot]

what part of tacit do you not understand?

Where is the first genocide prosecution in russia?

When was the first parade to commemorate the banishment of communists that killed 100 million?

Where is the first Holdomor museum?

If it walks like tacit approval, talks like tacit approval, guess what?

That's right - it is and your name calling will not make it otherwise

PS: I see this propaganda has been relegated to blogs where it belongs

[spanalot]

"You have clearly labeled yourself as a hateful unforgiving person. Has your country brought to trial the former communists?"

Yes - we fried a couple that gave away Nuke secrets to the Russians. And ever hear of Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy?

[sergey1973]

"When does the Russian Judge bring the FIRST Genocide criminal to Justice!

Answer: Never has, never will because Russians as a group tacitly approve this genocide. And until the first prosecutions and the first parades and until the first museums, Russians deserve nothing but contempt."


Including the Russians who died under Communism, murdered by CHeKa, NKVD, GPU, KGB, etc ? Do you disrespect Russian Alexandr Solzhenitsyn who was the first Russian who brought fully the horror of Stalinism and GULAG to the world ? So where is your judgement of people as Individuals ? You again saying that EVERY Russian deserves the contempt, despite the fact there are millions of Russians who died from Bolshevism/ Communism and there are Russians who don't cheer Stalin. You again judge people on their ethnic or national background--not what people actually say or do.

There are Russian human rights organizations like Memorial Foundation http://www.memo.ru who are working to preserve the memory of Stalin victims and tell about the abuses of Putin Regime. They deserve contempt too ? All those political prisoners who are ethnic Russians, like Sakharov, Bukovsky and countless others deserve the same contempt as Stalin and his butchers ? Then you really have no sound distinction how to judge people as individuals.

[GarySpFc]

"I fought the communists in combat when you were in diapers. "

And why are you no longer fighting them?

I seriously doubt you have ever been to Russia, and seen the freedom they have there. I have been there many times, and I will be the first to say those who call Russia communist are liars. Russia is not communist, and neither is Putin. All I see in each and every one of your posts is HATE.

[spanalot]

"Russians do not extol Stalin"

Google News - Get it. You might learn something about the rising Russian threat.

"A new resurgence of nostalgia for Joseph Stalin is reverberating throughout Russia. As recently reported by the Telegraph, new monuments in several Russian communities are being erected to honor the genocidal Soviet dictator who liquidated millions of Soviet citizens"

[spanalot]

"There are Russian human rights organizations like Memorial Foundation http://www.memo.ru "

During WWII, we had no problem calling the Germans savages and subhuman genocidal murderers.

After the war and Nuremberg and the sanitizing of that area, the Germans have been reabilitated.

No such rehabilitation has occurred in Russia and in fact things are going the wrong way - as if Hitler's twin started reconsolidating in 1960.

Sorry, I don't make the rules - if the majority of Russians want Stalin rehabilitated instead of their country, so be it and let the chips fall where they may on the Russians.

There are good Russians no doubt as there were good Germans in 1945. I would advise those good Russians to emmigrate immediatley as their time is short.

[spanalot]

"I seriously doubt you have ever been to Russia, and seen the freedom they have there."

Gary, I don't make the news - I only report it and its not looking good in Putie Town

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"President Putin: Fading Fast

Aug. 8 2005

Press Release - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

Russia is the only country in the world that has become authoritarian during President George W. Bush’s tenure. Its government suffers from an acute overcentralization of power and resultant paralysis. President Putin’s power base has shrunk to a core of secret policeman from St. Petersburg; independent information and media are increasingly strangulated; Russian insiders contend that the Kremlin has never been as pervasively corrupt. The question is hardly whether President Putin will hang on to power after his second term expires but whether he will survive that long, asserts Carnegie senior associate Anders Åslund in a new Policy Brief."

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How much wwill you pay me to not post this article under news and why won't you answer the question as to why you stopped fighting communists.

[jb6]

Holodomor is Ukrainian, the museum is in Ukraine. There are hundreds of monuments to victims all over Russia, but you wouldn't believe that because you need someone to hate.

As for genocide trials, there are very few left alive who partook and most are in their 90s. By the way, where are the trials in Ukraine? In Belaruss? In Khazakstan? etc? Oh, that's right, to you it was only Russians who are guilty of everything. Tact is the hatred you constantly spew.

When was the first parade to commemorate the banishment of communists that killed 100 million?

Every year on Russian independence day. Who the heck do you think they're celebrating their independence from?