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Bogoslovskaya: Timoshenko must be dismissed
Forum Ukraine ^ | 18 August

Posted on 08/18/2005 12:16:45 PM PDT by jb6

Ex-Chief of State Committee of Entrepreneurship reckons that Ukraine needs to get rid of nonprofessionals and populists of the power. Inna Bogoslovskaya states it during online conference which is going on right now on ForUm.

In response to the question "how can Ukraine overcome a crisis" she named the steps which would benefit the situation in the country: "the first one is to make a revision of new appointees and to get rid of nonprofessionals and populists and then to appoint real professionals to their posts; the second one is to make the power consistence more homogeneous by dismissal of Socialists, neo-Bolsheviks and wild revolutionists; the last one is to retire Timoshenko as PM of Ukraine who betrayed the fundamentals of bourgeois-democratic Orange Revolution and engrained neo-Bolshevism in Ukraine.”

Bogoslovskaya has put bad mark to the Cabinet’s work.


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KEYWORDS: bolshavism; propaganda; socialism; timoshenko; tymoshenko; ukraine
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1 posted on 08/18/2005 12:16:47 PM PDT by jb6
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To: jb6

So what's wrong with Timonshenko again? She makes Vladimir Putin look bad?


2 posted on 08/18/2005 12:22:00 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: jb6

State Committee of Entrepreneurship

Oxymoron alert.


3 posted on 08/18/2005 12:24:01 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: jb6
Cat Fight!!!


4 posted on 08/18/2005 12:25:50 PM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: Alter Kaker

She want join to the WTO and communists and Yanukovich dont. That is the problem.


5 posted on 08/18/2005 12:37:28 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Alter Kaker

She's a socialist who wants all major industries renationalized and under state control. How's that for a start?


6 posted on 08/18/2005 12:48:22 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Alter Kaker

She instigated price setting from the government on commodities like wheat, meat, milk, oil, gas, gasoline, etc. Read any of the thirty or forty articles I've posted over the months about what's going on in Ukraine, most from Ukrainian sources. It'll tell you exactly what she is.


7 posted on 08/18/2005 12:50:03 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Lukasz; ValenB4; anonymoussierra; zagor-te-nej; Freelance Warrior; kedr; Sober 4 Today; ...

That you'd support a socialist statist like Tymoshenko is absolutely no surprise. After all, you supported the Moldovan communists during the elections since they bent their knee to the EU.


8 posted on 08/18/2005 12:51:14 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6

If they would giving Oscars for lies, then you would got plenty of them.


9 posted on 08/18/2005 12:53:46 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: jb6; Lukasz; sergey1973; All



"Lay of a little and let’s look at this from different view shall we? As far as Ukraine goes; it’s not entity but a country for it self has its own government. What is a problem here I ask all of you? Why there always has to be question of Ukraine? I'm asking this in constructive way so maybe some words can be put aside please!!! I just heard people called poles morons but I guess someone was in a bad mood and have to much to drink. My point is; let it go; Kremlin makes moves as she wishes fact is Ukraine is Ukraine. Give time. It will work out just be patient: et fore how can you adjusts time from a past if you constantly are in it. Ukraine and Poland are becoming again their best allies as in before: it scares Kremlin and I know why. In fore before statement make sure you really want to discuss this: it won't be as amazing as listening to CNN International and that is a joke. In a for seriously relax all of you. God bless you"


Dzieki


10 posted on 08/18/2005 1:35:39 PM PDT by anonymoussierra (Nie b¹dŸ pochopny w duchu do gniewu, bo gniew przebywa w piersi g³upców)
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To: Dark Skies; Alter Kaker; jb6
From http://www.countercurrents.org/ukraine-richter011204.htm

It seems likely that Yuschenko - Timoshenko government makes the "Oil for Food" program look honest. A pre-election view of Ukraine politics:

"The power struggle in Ukraine has brought to the surface a conflict that has long been smouldering within the dominant elite. Yushchenko and his most important supporter, Yulia Tymoshenko, represent that part of the ruling layer that is determined to impose a radical opening up of the country to foreign capital.

Between 1993 and 1999, Yushchenko was head of the country’s central bank. He then served as prime minister for one-and-a-half years. He led the opposition alliance “Our Ukraine,” which had the strongest parliamentary faction following elections two years ago. Posing as a Western reformer, Yushchenko is seeking to break up the political-economic “clan structures” and ostensibly develop and strengthen “democratic institutions.” He wants to lead Ukraine into NATO and the European Union, and endorses “Western-style” capitalism.

He is supported by the nationalist Batkywschtschyna Party led by the millionaire (or, according to some sources, billionaire) former vice-prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko. The methods by which she attained her wealth can be compared to those of the worst of the oligarchs and mafia bosses in the Yanukovich camp. Her appeals for “liberty” and “democracy” against the Kuchma regime, to which she owes her wealth, are utterly cynical.

Tymoshenko, who is 44, comes from the eastern Ukrainian city of Dnepropetrovsk. She came to Kiev at the beginning of the 1990s with her acquaintance Pavel Lasarenko. The two followed Kuchma, who also originates from Dnepropetrovsk.

In 1996, Lasarenko became prime minister and, along with Tymoshenko, amassed considerable wealth. Tymoshenko developed a mechanism for exchanging Russian oil and gas for Ukrainian industrial goods, under conditions where a substantial share of the proceeds ended up in the coffers of the company she had personally founded—United Energy Systems.

Lasarenko came into conflict with various oligarchs and was ditched by Kuchma in 1998, in connection with a corruption scandal. Lasarenko currently sits in a US prison on charges of money laundering. Tymoshenko managed to worm her way out of the affair and was appointed deputy to Prime Minister Yushchenko in 1999.

In its edition of November 26, the Guardian newspaper of Britain quotes from a book by Matthew Brzezinski, Casino Moscow, which devotes an entire chapter to Tymoshenko, describing her as an “eleven-billion-dollar-woman.” Tymoshenko, having concentrated 20 per cent of the wealth of the country under her control while the country as a whole starves, is reportedly guarded by an entire unit of former Soviet special forces.

She now presents herself as a leader of the democratic opposition, although in the acquisition of her personal fortune she engaged in practices no less dirty and bloody than those of her adversaries in the Yanukovich camp.

Following the break-up of the Soviet Union, a section of the old Stalinist leadership divided substantial parts of the Ukrainian economy amongst itself in the course of privatisation, utilizing criminal methods to accumulate obscene levels of wealth. At the same time, the country was wracked by growing poverty. The principal target for the privatisations was Soviet-era industry, concentrated in the east of Ukraine, which is rich in iron ore and coal deposits. The area is dominated by mines, engineering facilities, and armaments plants. These are the economic sectors upon which Kuchma and Yanukovich rest.

Yanukovich is chairman of the regional party and former governor of the eastern Ukrainian heavy-industry area centred in Donetsk. He is the political representative of the Donetsk oligarch clans led by Rinat Achmetov, who, with an estimated fortune of two billion dollars, is regarded as the richest man in Ukraine.

Kuchma, who has ruled as president since 1994, was director of a large arms company in Dnepropetrovsk and a high-ranking KGB functionary during the Soviet period. Kuchma represents the Dnepropetrovsk oligarch clans, together with his son-in-law, Viktor Pinchuk, himself an oligarch and former prime minister.

Economic ties between Ukraine and Russia were extremely close during the Soviet era, and remained close after the collapse of the USSR and Ukrainian independence. This is reflected in the interlocking interests of the various factions of oligarchs. Some 83 per cent of the Ukrainian aluminium industry, for example, is Russian-owned.

The dependence of Ukraine on Russian oil and gas—four-fifths of its needs are supplied by Russia—underlies its close economic relations with its neighbour to the east. Russia uses this dependence to maintain its influence over Ukraine. By rationing the flow of energy, Russia is able to apply considerable pressure.

Russian energy companies such as Lukoil and Gazprom, which have close links to the Russian state, operate in Ukraine as de facto branches of the Russian foreign ministry, and the former Russian prime minister and Gazprom chairman, Victor Chernomyrdin, has been ambassador to Ukraine since 2001.

Since taking office in 1994, Kuchma has sought to develop an independent role for Ukraine, attempting to achieve a balance in relations between Russia, on the one hand, and the US and Europe on the other. He initiated a drive to lead Ukraine into the European Union and NATO, striving at the same time to strengthen the economic influence of the Confederation of Independent States (CIS), the umbrella body of the various states that emerged from the break-up of the Soviet Union. The CIS is dominated by Russia.

Ukraine took part in a project, which has since petered out, to revive the silk road—a commercial route between Europe and Asia that bypasses Russia. Georgia, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan and Moldavia participated in this project in 1998-99 under the auspices of the European powers. At the same time, Ukraine under Kuchma was one of the biggest recipients of American financial aid.

For his part, the current leader of the opposition, Yushchenko, was already working closely with Western capitalist interests in the 1990s. As chairman of the Ukraine central bank, he succeeded in maintaining relations with Western banks and institutions and securing further credits during the ruble crisis that rocked Russia and the other countries of the former Soviet Union in 1998. This improved his reputation amongst the clans of oligarchs, who hoped he would help them achieve better relations with the US and Europe. In December 1999, Yushchenko was appointed prime minister.

However, since the 1999 Kosovo war and the removal of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, these interests have been forced to recognize that US imperialism would not hesitate to continue its aggressive drive for domination and take them on. Yushchenko himself threatened to close unprofitable mines and steel plants, thereby directly threatening the power base of the oligarchs in the east of Ukraine.

Tymoshenko, then the vice-prime minister and responsible for energy trade with Russia, came into conflict with the pipeline baron and son-in-law of Kuchma, Pinchuk. She was removed from office in January 2001 and remanded, subject to investigations. Yushchenko was relieved of his office in April of the same year.

Following the “Rose Revolution” in Georgia, which, with US support, led to the removal from office of Eduard Shevardnadze in November 2003, Kuchma once again sought to cuddle up to Moscow. Further attempts to accommodate Washington, such as the dispatch of 1,600 soldiers to Iraq, failed to impress the Bush administration.

The US continued with its aggressive strategy and groomed opposition candidate Yushchenko. He has close relations with Madeline Albright, the secretary of state in the Democratic Clinton administration, Zbigniew Brzezinski, the national security advisor under former president Jimmy Carter, and the financier George Soros. Donations from institutes established by Soros have helped develop and finance the Ukrainian student movement “Pora” (“It is Time”) along the lines of similar movements in Serbia and Georgia. Pora has been in the forefront of the demonstrations in support of the opposition.

Popular support for the opposition relies partially on hopes that a change of government can only improve the catastrophic social situation of the country. Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, average monthly income in Ukraine has dropped to $30. In the cities, it is barely more than $60, and in Kiev, approximately $100. Spending power plummeted by 40 per cent between 1989 and 1999."

It does appear that Timoshenko, her huband, and his father have made billions of dollars illegally exploiting Yulia's official position in the previous Kuchma government. To expect different behavior now would be foolish.

The above is merely an introduction to a complex subject.
11 posted on 08/18/2005 1:44:06 PM PDT by Iris7 ("A pig's gotta fly." - Porco Rosso)
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To: anonymoussierra; jb6

"As far as Ukraine goes; it’s not entity but a country for it self has its own government. What is a problem here I ask all of you? Why there always has to be question of Ukraine? I'm asking this in constructive way so maybe some words can be put aside please!!! "

Yes, you are right anonymoussierra. Yushenko won the election and let him decide what to do about Tymoshenko. Also there is a Ukrainian Parliament who can ask Yushenko to dismiss Tymoshenko if they don't like her performance.

The voters who elected Yushenko to office, can either keep Yushenko or ask him to leave whenever comes next election.

Let Ukrainians run their own affairs--rightly or wrongly -:))))


12 posted on 08/18/2005 1:52:26 PM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: Iris7

Excellent recap of the situation (not as pleasing to the eye as my pics above, but vy enlightening). Thx for your work!


13 posted on 08/18/2005 2:13:55 PM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: sergey1973; jb6; Lukasz; lizol; GarySpFc; RusIvan; twinself

"Let Ukrainians run their own affairs--rightly or wrongly -:))))"AMEN Sergiej Ameno!!!!!!!!!!!!


14 posted on 08/18/2005 2:25:47 PM PDT by anonymoussierra (Nie b¹dŸ pochopny w duchu do gniewu, bo gniew przebywa w piersi g³upców)
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To: Mazepa
Ping!
You might be interested.
15 posted on 08/18/2005 2:36:33 PM PDT by lizol
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To: anonymoussierra; Alter Kaker; sergey1973; jb6

16 posted on 08/18/2005 2:37:54 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Dark Skies
The author is "Patrick Richter". A sort of Great Russian perspective. About ten web pieces, and the ones I have looked at read as the same person's style. Never have seen any lies, seems careful with his speech.

No idea who he is, of course. I don't believe he is a native English speaker. Knows a lot to be a private party, but also seems to use only public domain sources.

Posts on highbrow internationalist leftist sites. "Fourth International", no less!! :-)

Interesting source.
17 posted on 08/18/2005 2:40:22 PM PDT by Iris7 ("A pig's gotta fly." - Porco Rosso)
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To: anonymoussierra

I respect many of the things you say, but I in part disagree. Yes, both Poland and the Ukraine are their own countries, and have a right to their own destinies. However, I am seeing some online think they speak for all Ukrainians, which is not true.


18 posted on 08/18/2005 2:42:14 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Lukasz

Post 11 shows who the real liar is, you.


19 posted on 08/18/2005 2:47:57 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: GarySpFc

Yeah, I love the way certain individuals here scream that criticizing Tymoshenko or Yushchenko is attacking the Ukrainian people. I guess when you've been a slave for so long and taught that your master/dictator is the state you just can't get rid of that mentality.


20 posted on 08/18/2005 2:50:04 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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